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Re: Angliscised names Fellman Landman
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 21 February 16 12:09 GMT (UK) »
there is an Adolph Fellman b1892 enrolled in manchester school in oct 1891 parent or guardian is named as Barius Jacobs of 5 bent st so I thought this could be Barnet there is a record of Rachel Fellman dying in a workhouse in 1900 ..I wondered if this could be his first wife ; her death cert doesnt say if she was married or not.

Marriage USA 1902
Bernard Fellman ; father Lazer Fellman; mother Chein Landman
Lena Ratner        ;father david Levin Mother  sarah Levin

could this be a second marriage
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Re: Angliscised names Fellman Landman
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 08 June 16 06:27 BST (UK) »
Fellman is an unusual surname even in Latvia .some of the ones I discarded initially are related tho distantly .

I found two Tilly Fellman
 one born in Latvia in 1890 named originally as
As khaya
then in Birkenhead school in 1900  Mathilda and census 1901and on ships and us census was Nana.s (.Half )aunt.  Her grandson kindly sent me  pictures of her as a young woman and an elderly lady ....I see some resemblance to my Nana.


The other  Tilly was born in Brooklyn early 1900's she was my nana.s neice. Daughter of BENJAMIN Barnet ? Fellman and Lena ratner
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Re: Angliscised names Fellman Landman
« Reply #29 on: Monday 26 September 16 23:57 BST (UK) »
 I don't yet know if this man is connected to my family but

Abraham Fellman on manchester rate books in 1883
Turns up as Abraham Philman on 1882 rates

Then I found him by looking for Philman on 1881 census ...in Liverpool workhouse
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Re: Angliscised names Fellman Landman
« Reply #30 on: Monday 10 July 17 18:23 BST (UK) »
I am reviving this thread for new found relatives
Who didn't know about Fellman origins

And to add information from them

We worked out that Samuel Lazurus Fellman first wife name Geis Eida landman would have been  anliscised to Augusta  Edith
Her 4 daughters that I know about named their first daughters Geis eda( later known as Edith) .Augusta .Augusta ( Gussie)and Edith .
Her son's marriage record names his mother as Chein. Landman but i think that could be another spelling of Seina/ Jane his stepmother
There were also Four grandaughters named Jeannie Janet or Jeanette
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Re: Angliscised names Fellman Landman
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 11 July 17 07:15 BST (UK) »
Chaya Rivka    unknown surname
could be a link to someone whose DNA matches

Is Rivka a version of Rebecca
Could she have been named after a maternal grandmother or paternal great grandmother

I.m not sure if she is the first or second  daughter of guess Ada Landman and Leizer Mendel Fellman .

GeisAda landman had father called Gershon landsman/ Landman / Landmann
Could my great grandfather have his first name George ?/
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Re: Angliscised names - FELLMAN, LANDMAN
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 11 July 17 09:29 BST (UK) »
Hello there! It's been a while.

The Yiddish name Sheyneh (from the German word Schöne = beautiful) was frequently anglicised to the names you listed.

Rivka is the Hebrew form of Rebecca.

Gershon appears to be the name passed down the generations of the Landmann family, so it is reasonable to assume that it was your ggf's Hebrew name.

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Re: Angliscised names - FELLMAN, LANDMAN
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 11 July 17 10:22 BST (UK) »
wow justin
youve come up trumps again

I cany find the refs to original research you sent ..somewhere in computer hyperspace
i did send a print out of the generation link

I found 2 anomolies
the David married to Khaya was not ours
and i think little aaron mottel infant death father medel leizer fellman is not same man as our leizer mendel son of leib

so the dna matching perso has a Fannie ....F b1870 near Latvia
mothers name chaya Rivka

so if George Jacob Fellman was given the first name of maternal gmother
Gershon Landman and patronym of paternal gfather Leib Yankel Fellman does that make him 2nd son
in which case i think eldest son would be the husband of Rachel fellman who died in the workhouse hospitl 1900 aged 27

 Rebecca could be named after maternal gmother which would make her first daughter
if its paternal gmother would she be second daughter

fannie SCHWARTZ nee F...and maybe married twice could be eldest daughter
ive found a potential lithuanian chaya Rivka with VOlman relatives

I'm now counting the half sisters in tally of 12
1 definite sibling died before 1920 is Barius /Bernard
probable little Dvora
possible Rachel Fellman ..records dont show if she was a married lady or single age 27
 
probable husbansd Abraham PHilman but how does that name link to paternal gfather Leib yankel ?

got to go now thanks for continued interest ..hope this story will help others to try using names to identify links

ps
I think Leib yankels may have had 2 wives of it was his mother called sorre
really wish i'd put all relevant info in one file
and have altered my tree on Ancestry speculatively


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Re: Angliscised names - FELLMAN, LANDMAN
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 11:04 BST (UK) »
DNA possible links back two more generations to Lithuania ..records have some more different  spellings

Hebrew or Yiddish ?
Laybe. =Leib ?
Eliazer.  Leizel
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Re: Angliscised names - FELLMAN, LANDMAN
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 12:23 BST (UK) »
The record of Aron-Mottel's birth is transcribed here http://usdine.free.fr/birthsjakobstadteightythree.html

The David Fellman who married Khaya Kortin in 1911 was probably a cousin of 'your' David who married Sadie.

It is not possible to determine the sequence of birth from the names that couples gave to their children. Jewish naming customs do, however, help to identify familial relationships, because a child is only ever given the name of a deceased relative, such as its grandparents, great-grandparents, uncles/aunts, etc.

The name Gershon does not appear in any of the other Fellman lines in Jakobstadt or Riga, but it does appear in the Landman family of Jakobstadt. In particular, we have Marcus (Mottel in Yiddish) Landman (1816-1880), who was the son of a Gershon Landman. It is this fact that led me to deduce that Gesa-Eida was Marcus's daughter, because it would be logical for her to have sons named after her father and grandfather. As Marcus did not die until 1880, his name could not have been given to a son born in 1871.

Similarly, we can deduce that Leizer-Mendel's father, Leib, was still alive in 1871. His grandfather, Yankel, was most likely dead however. So it would be reasonable that the name Yankel be given to one of Leizer-Mendel's sons.

We can only speculate about the relative after whom Rebecca was named. As you say, she could have been Gershon Landman's wife.

Leib/Leyb/Layb/Laib/Leybel, etc. etc. are all Yiddish variations of the same name derived from the Yiddish word for 'lion'.

However, you have to bear in mind that these are the romanised versions of names written in Yiddish (i.e. Hebrew letters) or Russian (Cyrillic).