Death Certificate

[caleula]

Lets assume Samuel Fisher Greaves was 10 years old in 1770 for an apprenticeship which would mean he was born about 1760 ish or before


thus

Born 1760

Baptised 1808 = He would be aged 48 unusual but possible

Married 1838 = He would aged 78----------------- and have siblings ---?

Died 1853      = He would be aged 93 not an un-normal age to die


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We have Samuel Fisher Greaves' Indenture of Apprenticeship into the Drapery Trade dated around 1770,

Sorry. Obviously I'm way out in the year of the Apprenticeship. Understandably having had 12 chemo sessions, my grey matter isn't working too well. Will have to find the correct year.

Samuel was indentured on 27 Dec. 1823. My mistake

[caleula]

Caleua: Is this your information? If it is not then it might help you as a guide

http://www.gravesfa.org/gen592.htm

Of course with a family this far back you would have to look through very old books to get physical evidence and proof is seeing it yourself (I have the same problem with my ancient Wemyss family)

Yes, it's mine.

[rosie99]

Is this death connected 

December qtr 1853 
John Greaves   
Winchester reg dist  2c   51

[dobfarm]

If I was you I would concentrate on Samuel F Greaves burial or death certificate  1853 only as this thread

Try one of the below to get a positive accurate result.

Contact by email Winchester register office direct (Link below with email address)

Contact your nearest LDS church family history library, quote the batch number & film number and ask  them to get copy of the Winchester parish burial entry 5 th Oct 1853 or at least his age at death (Info in the link) There maybe a small cost about 10 $ Auz dollars

Or on a known Winchester parish event date of a burial the Hampshire Archives and Local Studies
Hampshire Record Office archive will only charge for a copy of the event and postage overseas fixed price again about/ approx 10 $ Auz Dollars  again email address in webpage (Just quote the Burial entry date and Winchester parish -Don't quote LDS numbers to these people)

The Hampshire records office may ? quote you the page number and event number in the Winchester parish register and transcribe the entry details with age at burial free by email if you don't require a copy of the event.- ?

http://www3.hants.gov.uk/registration/registration-contact/registration-winchester.htm

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDHX-JMW

http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives

Hope it helps and you get a result

 

[caleula]

If I was you I would concentrate on Samuel F Greaves burial or death certificate  1853 only as this thread

Try one of the below to get a positive accurate result.

Contact by email Winchester register office direct (Link below with email address)

Contact your nearest LDS church family history library, quote the batch number & film number and ask  them to get copy of the Winchester parish burial entry 5 th Oct 1853 or at least his age at death (Info in the link) There maybe a small cost about 10 $ Auz dollars

Or on a known Winchester parish event date of a burial the Hampshire Archives and Local Studies
Hampshire Record Office archive will only charge for a copy of the event and postage overseas fixed price again about/ approx 10 $ Auz Dollars  again email address in webpage (Just quote the Burial entry date and Winchester parish -Don't quote LDS numbers to these people)

The Hampshire records office may ? quote you the page number and event number in the Winchester parish register and transcribe the entry details with age at burial free by email if you don't require a copy of the event.- ?

http://www3.hants.gov.uk/registration/registration-contact/registration-winchester.htm

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDHX-JMW

http://www3.hants.gov.uk/archives

Hope it helps and you get a result

 

Many thanks dobfarm. I was trying for a Death Certificate only for Samuel Fisher Greaves, but the thread seems to have wandered away a bit.

Have already tried through Hampshire Record Office as below:

Dear Mr Greaves,

Thank you for your email.  Although you have the burial record, this does not constitute proof of his death actually being registered.    I have double checked the ancestry website Find My Past and there is definitely no death registered for a Samuel Greaves in Hampshire in 1853, or thereabouts.

I am sorry that we cannot assist any further.

Kind regards,

Karen Cooper

Certificate Processing Centre
Hampshire Record Office
Sussex Street
Winchester
SO23 8TH
01962 846151 or 845954
Hampshire Registration Service
'Committed to meeting the needs of individuals and their families’
http://www3.hants.gov.uk/registration

[jennifer c]

I would be looking at the death of John Greaves in Winchester in the right qtr like Rosie, especially as John Fisher Greaves died in 1838 Warwick.

Wishing you good health for 2015.

Jennifer

[caleula]

"I would be looking at the death of John Greaves in Winchester in the right qtr like Rosie, especially as John Fisher Greaves died in 1838 Warwick."

Thanks Jennifer, but that went right over my head. I'm not thinking too clearly.

All the best for 2015 to you too.

[dobfarm]

It was not unusual for deaths to be not registered between 1837 and the 1870's as it was not mandatory in law to register deaths between this time period. From 1537 to 1870's the official church register of baptisms, marriages and burials was the only official record in England. Thus the burial register of Samuel burial is as acceptable as much as a death certificate (To be crude! Samuel F ,did pop his clogs within a few weeks before his burial date as a record of his accepted death) A Death cert gives more info and a grave stone memorial but the burial entry date is the official record up to 1870's as mandatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Register_Office

http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-three

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Although up to 1874, the onus on registering a death was placed on the registrar, the information was provided by an informant. Later it was the responsibility of the next of kin or closest relative




There was no register of Samuel F Greaves of Winchester Oct to Dec 1853 in the list of deaths

click on where it says view the original in the link

The list National of England of Death index Oct to Dec 1853

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=20851661:1764&d=bmd_1419318740&scan=1

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My Granddad was not registered at birth GRO but his baptism with date of birth was in the church register. 1867

[caleula]

It was not unusual for deaths to be not registered between 1837 and the 1870's as it was not mandatory in law to register deaths between this time period. From 1537 to 1870's the official church register of baptisms, marriages and burials was the only official record in England. Thus the burial register of Samuel burial is as acceptable as much as a death certificate (To be crude! Samuel F ,did pop his clogs within a few weeks before his burial date as a record of his accepted death) A Death cert gives more info and a grave stone memorial but the burial entry date is the official record up to 1870's as mandatory.

Thanks so much for all of that and the URL's dobfarm. Very much appreciated indeed