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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 01 January 15 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I can't find Alice George in the 1871 or 1881 born Wandsworth in 1867 and I've got nothing to go on for Jane ...

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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 01 January 15 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately I don't have access to the census records at the moment, but you will need to think outside the square in your searches.
Look at spelling variations for both first and last names, and don't discount an incorrect birthplace for Alice either, especially if she was living with someone else.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 01 January 15 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Which takes me full circle  :D

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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #21 on: Friday 02 January 15 01:36 GMT (UK) »
The register of births in the Wandsworth workhouse shows an unnamed female child born to Jane GEORGE on 24 December 1867, recorded as illegitimate.

As suggested above, this could be Alice Elizabeth GEORGE, who was baptised on 2 February 1868 in Paddington to 'William George (milk carrier)' and Jane, with the birthdate of 23 December 1867. The father's name given in the baptism register may have been invented, for respectability's sake. Perhaps he was a William Someone-Else, who was a milk-carrier.

The given address in the 1868 baptism record is 3 Iron Gate Wharf. Perhaps the mother Jane married shortly afterwards?

St Mary Paddington

13 July 1868
James Ratty, full age, bachelor, Fireman Royal Navy, Iron Gate Wharf. Father - William David Ratty, Carman
Jane Elizabeth George, minor, spinster, Iron Gate Wharf. Father - William Henry George, Carman
after banns
Witnesses - Tho. Burthom, Miriam Annie Cooke

Here is the family in the census. They are recorded as BATTY in 1871, but as RATTY in 1881.

1871 census
RG10/14 folio 61 page 44
34 Delamere Crescent, Paddington
James Batty, head, married, 28, Stoker on board Steam Boat, born Middlesex Westminster
Jane E. Batty, wife, married, 23, born Middlesex Saint Anns
Alace E. Batty, daughter, 3, Scholar, born Surry Wandsworth
Jane Spiller, visitor, married, 44, Nurse, born Herts Harford

1881 census
RG11/3 folio 46 page 40
79 Clarendon Street, Paddington
James Ratty, head, married, 36, General Labourer, Chelsea Pensioner, born Middlesex St Anne's
Jane E. Ratty, wife, married, 33, born Middlesex St Anne's
James D. Ratty, son, 6, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington
Albert E. Ratty, son, 4, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington
Edith L. Ratty, daughter, 2, born Middlesex Paddington
Mabel E. Ratty, daughter, 11 months, born Middlesex Paddington

I'm struggling to find Alice George/Ratty in 1881, but perhaps someone else will.


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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #22 on: Friday 02 January 15 01:40 GMT (UK) »
Well done Boolbox! That is the sort of thing I was suggesting.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #23 on: Friday 02 January 15 02:15 GMT (UK) »
Jane Spiller, visitor, married, 44, Nurse, born Herts Harford

Jane Spiller is Jane Elizabeth George's mother. She remarried as a widow in 1857 at St Paul Covent Garden to James Spiller. They are all in Hedges Yard, St Anne Soho, in 1851.
HO107/1510 folio 32 page 56

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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #24 on: Friday 02 January 15 04:20 GMT (UK) »
Is that her in Paddington in 1861, spelled Speller? I only have access to familysearch and freecen unfortunately.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #25 on: Friday 02 January 15 04:31 GMT (UK) »
And possibly living in St Giles in the Fields in 1881, but no Alice with her unfortunately.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: Hemming/George family in London - maternal side
« Reply #26 on: Friday 02 January 15 04:42 GMT (UK) »
Jane Elizabeth George born 8 Dec 1847, baptised 26 Dec 1847 St Martin in the Field, Westminster, daughter of William Henry George and Jane. (familysearch)
Still needing to find Alice George/Ratty in 1881.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.