COMPLETED: Joseph Elliott Buried 1909, Carlisle Cemetery more details wanted

[whiteout7]

Thankyou, I do think the name is Ann Forster (not Foster as the family sometimes says) and that the Joseph Eliott and Ann Forster marriage in 1866 is the right one, if you say Bewcastle is closer to Nichols Forest.

1866 less 1843 would make them 23 years old. I can't see how Joseph Elliot would have time to have had an earlier wife called Sarah Armstrong.

[chempat]

Does the family bible definitely state that the children were from Joseph and Ann, and none from Joseph and Sarah?

If the marriage to Sarah is recorded in the family bible, why do you think it did not happen?

[chempat]

Searching for Joseph Elliot born 1843 Bewcastle gives you straightaway all censuses but 1871 on ancestry.

Added:
In 1871 in Liverpool??

Yep - check birthplaces etc 1871 and 1881 etc etc names also. (Annie J, William, Mary born Liverpool)

By 1891 perhaps he has forgotten that some of his children were born in Liverpool.

[whiteout7]

ooh, thank Chempat I had no idea - were thought he lived his whole life in Cumberland. Maybe the Sarah Armstong marriage is in Lancashire.

Freebdm
Births Mar 1865
Elliott  Annie Jane    W. Derby  8b 273
Births Jun 1868 
ELLIOTT  William     W. Derby  8b 363
Births Mar 1870   
Elliott  Mary     W. Derby  8b 358

I still can't get a hit on the free census,(I always wondered why I couldn't find Annie Jane Elliotts birth in Cumberland but I will try ancestry thankyou Chempat

[whiteout7]

I'm pretty confident all the children in our family bible are Joseph Elliots and Ann Forsters, Annie Jane Elliott the eldest is born the year they were married 1866.

[whiteout7]

Ok I finally found Joseph Eliot born Bewcastle, 1843 in the '1861'census with his mother Jannet Eliott born 1801 in Scotland. She was a blacksmiths widow and her three sons Walter b 1834 Bewcastle, James b 1840 Bewcastle and Joseph were all working as blacksmiths. She also had two grandchildren with her John Eliot born 1850 Bewcastle and Sibella b 1853 Bewcastle.

We spell the name Elliott now (two LL and two TT)

Old Rhyme
The double L and single T
Descent from Minto and Wolflee,
The double T and single L
Mark the old race in Stobs that dwell.
The single L and single T
The Eliots of St Germains be,
But double T and double L,
Who they are nobody can tell.