FIEDLERS! Julius Henry Fiedler b.c.1818 PRUSSIA,m.London 1840,Caroline SOLOMONS

[DiMari]

Searching for anyone descended today, from Julius Henry FIED-ler (Not FIELD-er), who m. Caroline SOLOMONS c.1840, in England, at the Great London Synagogue, according to the rites of the Polish and German Jews.
He was a carpetbag manufacturer & salesman. Quite successful, and after marriage, he and his wife traveled between their two houses--one in London, one in Prussia (Posen area)and all over Europe, selling his goods.

Caroline SOLOMONS,was b.1820,London England.

They had 9 children  ****1)Henry J. Fiedler b.1844, 2)Sarah b.1846,3) Augusta b.1847, 4)James Leopold Fiedler,b. 1848, 5)Charles Fiedler,b.1850, 6)Evaline Fiedler,b.1851, 7) Edward b.1854,     8)Jeannette Fiedler,b.1858, and their last and youngest sibling (mygreat-grandpa), 9) Alfred Fiedler,b.Nov.20,1861, in London (d.1910, Anaheim, Orange county, Calif.).

Believe most were born in London, or Kew, Surrey area.

Searching for any descendants or info of any kind.Please leave me an email at....
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NOTE: ****Henry J. Fiedler, b.1844, above--was deported in 1887 to Australia--he ended up living in Melbourne and marrying there, having a family, never returning to England, and dying in Melbourne area, Victoria,Australia in 1907. I have info on his descendants, so am more concerned with what happened to the lines, down from his other siblings, w/exception of my own great-grandfather Alfred, again whose line of descendants, I am aware of.

So what happened to their sibling James Leopold FIEDLER, whose son, Reginald L. Fiedler went to the Sudan as a manager of a mine, there, changed his surname, so that he is afterwards known as, REGINALD LEOPOLD RHODDIS-WEST? I know he dies in Bengal, INDIA, but what happened to his kids? IN 1911 UK Census he only has 1 child, a daughter of age 2. Any other children?

As to Charles Fiedler b.c.1850, know his line goes to Canada. But for Edward b.1854,  what happened with him? Ever married, had any kids?

Also would love to know if any Fiedler surnamed descendants exist today in England, still, who have this Fiedler last name today, down from this specific family of the patriarch, Julius Henry FIEDLER, of Posen, Prussia?

Any info or suggestions, at all, greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
DiMari



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[sparrett]

: ****Henry J. Fiedler, b.1844, above--was deported in 1887 to Australia-
 DiMari

I am guessing you mean his family "exiled" him to Australia in 1887 or something like it.

Only non-citizens of a country can be deported in the true sense of the word unless they are transported to a penal facility in a territory possessed by the country.

You say Henry Julius FIEDLER was British by birth

Transportation to Australia had ended by 1850.

Sue

[suzard]

Searching for anyone descended today, from Julius Henry FIED-ler (Not FIELD-er), who m. Caroline SOLOMONS c.1840, in England, at the Great London Synagogue

It seems they married 1842
Marriage reg FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1842
reg district City of London
on same page
Julius Henry Fiedler
Caroline Solomons
Vol 2 Page 161
a tree on A******y gives date of marriage as 12 Oct 1842 -cert would confirm

death reg FreeBMD
Julius henry Fiedler
Mar qtr 1884
age 66
reg dist Pancras
1b 101


Probate record for Joseph Leopold
Joseph leopold Fiedler of 61 Balham Park Road Surrey died 1904 at St George Hospital Middlesex. Administration 21 Oct 1904 to Caroline Fiedler widow Effects £72

Suz

[suzard]

 
. But for Edward b.1854,  what happened with him? Ever married, had any kids?

Birth reg FreeBMD
Edward Fiedler
Sept qtr 1853
Richmond Surrey
2a 167
Married Pauline Basch 26 Aug 1874 Plymouth Devon

1881
23 Foulden Rd Hackney london
Edward Fiedler Head M 27 cotton merchant Kew Surrey
Pauline wife M 27 Plymouth Devon
Ernest M son 4 Dalston London
Horace J son 1 Richmond Surrey
Mary A Risp servant U 25 Whitechapel London
289 111 3 2

Birth reg's of sons of Edward & Pauline
Ernest Maurice Fiedler Sept qtr1876 Hackney 1b 492
Horace John Fiedler Sept qtr 1879 Richmond Surrey 2a 356
and maybe this is another son
13 Aug 1878 Pall Mall Gazette
"Death Leopold Fiedler infant son of mr Edward Fiedler Devonshire House Richmond 9 Aug

Haven't found Edward in 1891 but this looks like Pauline
1891
9 Leconfield Rd Islington London
Pauline Fiedler wife 36 Boarding House Keeper Plymouth devon
Ernest M son 14 scholar Hackney Surrey
Horace J son 11 Richmond Surrey
Stephanie Basch sister U 23 actress Plymouth Devon


1901
2094 11 13 97
55 alexandra Rd Plymouth Devon
Edward Basch Head widower 70 retired jeweller Germany British Subject
Pauline Fiedler daughter married 46 Plymouth Devon
Alfred basch son U 34 watchmaker Plymouth
Mabel Brown servant 19 housemaid Cornwall

and here are the sons
1901
66 Sterndale Rd Hammersmith London
Ernest M Fiedler son U 24 Grocers Clerk Dalston Surrey
Horace J Fiedler son U 21 Ironfounder's clerk Richmond Surrey
48 159 24 193

and Edward
1901
Great Central Hotel St Marylebone London
Edward Fiedler guest married 47 Linen Draper Surrey
116 163 9

Death reg
Edward Fiedler Jun qtr 1928 Kensington 1a 134

Probate
Edward Fiedler of the Royal Palace Hotel Kensington Middlesex died 26 April 1928 Probate London 22 May to John Andrew Ready commercial traveller and Harold Triggs clerk
Effects £3382 16s 2d

[suzard]

Children of Edward Fiedler & Pauline
Ernest maurice Fiedler  lived in Bristol Gloucestershire for a while with wife Rose and daughter Jessie Julia where he was Inspector to Pearks Ltd Grocery merchants
Ernest married Rose Ryons 22 Jun 1903 Fulham
Daughter Jessie Julia was born 22 jun 1904 Southfield london (according to Ernest's military records
(He served in Northumberland Fusiliers WW1)
Death reg Ernest M Fiedler Sept qtr 1951 age 75 Lewisham 5d 29
Probate
Ernest Maurice Fiedler of 12 Crathie Rd Lee London SE12 died 10 July 1951 at the Hospital Lewisham London SE13. Probate Oxford 21 Aug to Rose Fiedler, widow
Effects £2515 9s 10d
and probate for Rose
Rose Fiedler of 12 Crathie Rd Eltham Lee London SE12 widow died 24 May 1961 at Brook Hospital Greenwich London SE10 Probate Oxford 3 Aug to Jessie Julia Fiedler, spinster
Effects C
£2093 15s 7d

Looks like jessie julia never married -so that is the end of that line
Death reg
Jessie Julia Fiedler born 22 Jun 1904 death reg jun 1986 age 81 Greenwich 12 1391

I will foll0w up the other son-  Horace John Fiedler shortly

Suz

[keyboard86]

Hi in 1891 an Edward FIELDER Married aged 37 occ Linen Buyer b Kew is a boarder at 2, Marlborough Mansion, Victoria Street, St George Hanover Square
Census Ref RG12/80/73/50
Keyboard86

[suzard]

Well found, keyboard

This looks like son Horace
Possible marriage reg
Horace J Fiedler
Nellie A Jenkins
jan 1918 Brentford 3a 370

Probate
Horace john Fiedler , otherwise Horace, of 174 Sheen Lane London SW14 died 8 Feb 1959 Probate london 9 April tp Arnold Linger Watson solicitor & ? public and Victor Moon civil servant
Effects £5456 17s 4d

can't find any children or anything further on Nellie

Suz

[sparrett]

 

NOTE: ****Henry J. Fiedler, b.1844, above--was deported in 1887 to Australia--he ended up living in Melbourne and marrying there, having a family, never returning to England, and dying in Melbourne area, Victoria,Australia in 1907. I have info on his descendants, so am more concerned with what happened to the lines, down from his other siblings, w/exception of my own great-grandfather Alfred, again whose line of descendants, I am aware of.

 
 
Thank you,
DiMari



 

 
I have not located a marriage for Henry Julius FIEDLER and Constance Jane ALSFORD in Australia.

In Australia there is one birth only,a son, in 1890 to Henry Julius FIEDLER and Constance Jane ALSFORD  at Prahran #16344

On her death registration, Gertrude Edith MCKAY has listed parents Henry FEIDLER (sic) and Constance Jane ALFORD (sic) (age 55. Yr 1936. #4326) So born about 1881

At her marriage in 1889 to  Ernt Alexandra (Alexander?) McKAY, Gerte Edith FIEDLER  gives CAPETOWN as her birthplace (#7866)

Likewise on the death registration of Florence WILLIAMSON  the listed parents are Henry FIEDLER and Constance unk   (aged 57. Yr 1934. #9143)So  birthdate about 1877

At her marriage in 1904 to Robert WILLIAMSON, Florence Carol FIEDLER gives SOUTH AFRICA as her birthplace(#7890)

So it seems the couple started their family in South Africa.

In 1871, Constance Jane ALSFORD was with her aunt Martha RUSSELL (nee LEECH) -her mother’s sister probably- in England.  Martha was married to a wealthy wine merchant and, noting, Henry Julius FIEDLER, was  listed as a wine merchant perhaps he met Constance through that connection.

Sue

[DiMari]

THANK YOU ALL! (SPARRETT, SUZARD, & KEYBOARD 86!!). You are All great DETECTIVES!!

To Respond to each of your points:

1)to Sue Sparrett: You mentioned that Henry J. Fiedler's family must have "exiled" him, as couldn't be transported,
"unless they are transported to a penal facility in a territory possessed by the country."

Well, even though Australia had become independent by 1901, they still were a Colonial Territory of Britain at time Henry was sentenced and sent abroad, so they did "transport" him.
Well, in 1885, when Henry was forcibly sent downunder to Australia for a sentence of 3 yrs. punishment, for having stolen goods (a few bracelets, from a shop),he was "transported"....here are the documents:

Old Bailey Proceedings, 5th June 1875. 378.   HENRY JULIUS FIELDER (32) , to five indictments for stealing bracelets and other articles of jewellery of Richard Leome(Jerome?) Henry - Judgment respited [Pleaded guilty: See original trial image.]. And Reference Number: t18750605-379 England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892  Name: Julius Fiedler Date of Trial: 7 Jun 1875 Trial Year: 1875 Location of Trial: Middlesex, England Crime: See Image "Convicted of larceny, judgement respected"

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 Court, Land, Wills & Financial  Name:  Henry Julius Fiedler Residence:  12 Jul 1875 - Middlesex, England Crime: larceny "larceny (convicted last sentence)  Recognizance is L100 to appear and hear judgement when "larceny (convicted last sentence)  Recognizance is L100 to appear and hear judgement when called on."

Initially the judgement was 'respited' for reasons not recorded, but later, Henry was sent  to Australia for a 3 year incarceration. (I have document on this, too-just can't locate at the moment, sorry! Same for the doc for the 3yr sentence--it doesn't seem to be at-hand either right now---some of my stuff is in storage- arrggghhh!!)

We know he shipped out c.1875, to Melbourne, but only have a record of his further going on from Melbourne to Sydney:

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 about Henry Fiedler   (steerage class, see doc). Port of Departure: Melbourne Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1878 Vessel Name: City Of Melbourne

And again, To Sue Sparrett--thank you again for more searching you did. It seems like so many of these darned records get so mis-transposed, or have typos in the original or some such. I actually have the record for
Gertrude (nee Fiedler) McKay--and it doesn't show CapeTown as a birthplace. And I have viewed Florence's birth and marriage certificates at both familysearch and at ancestry but Neither of them show a birth place of South Africa---can you copy/paste the records that do show that into here??? This would be really really INTERESTING If there is a South African "aspect" to my Fiedlers "journeys"!!
 Surname: MCKAY
 Given Names: Ernt Alexandra
 Event: M
 Sex:
 Spouse Surname/Father: FIEDLER
 Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Gerte Edith
 Age:
 Age Code:
 Birth Place: WBOOL (which is Warrnambool, Victoria's largest coastal city outside of Port Phillip. It's about 120 mi. so.west of Melbourne).
 Death Place:
 Year: 1899
 Reg. Number: 7866R
Also curious---as you state: In 1871, Constance Jane ALSFORD was with her aunt Martha RUSSELL (nee LEECH) -her mother’s sister probably- in England....WHY do you say ENGLAND--and How do you know that Constance is WITH Martha, and that Martha is her aunt (is this from another Census, or??) Just want to know as many details as I can, although I do thank you for ALL your energies you have put into this!!

2) And to Suzard: Thanks for the info: esp about the sons in the 1901 UK Census which shows them at: 66 Sterndale Rd Hammersmith London (and below--their careers!!):
Ernest M Fiedler son U 24 Grocers Clerk Dalston Surrey
Horace J Fiedler son U 21 Ironfounder's clerk Richmond Surrey
Didn't know their fields of endeavor--so good to know-thanks!

Also great to know (Suzard-thanks again!)re: Ernest Maurice Fiedler  lived in Bristol Gloucestershire where he was Inspector to Pearks Ltd Grocery merchants.And to see he served in WW1( in the North-umberland Fusiliers).Thanks!
Also thank you for his Death info: age 75,died 10 July 1951 at the Hospital Lewisham London SE13. Probate: to Rose Fiedler, widow,Effects £2515 9s 10d (WOW!). And she must have lived frugally-because
10yrs later when She dies, it shows she still has: £2093 15s 7d, which she leaves to her daughter, the spinster, Jessie Julie Fiedler. Interesting to know this. Thanks Suzard!

And to Keyboard88-thank you for finding him under the (often) Mis-spelled FIELD-er, not correct FIED-ler:
(1891 an Edward FIELDER Married aged 37 occ Linen Buyer b Kew is a boarder).

And a thank you to Suzard, once more, for the info on Horace John Fiedler , otherwise Horace, of 174 Sheen Lane London SW14, that he died 8 Feb 1959. And that Probate shows Effects of £5456 17s 4d!! 

YOU ALL ARE MAGNIFICENT PEOPLE!!!  Now if I can just find out if those sons had any progeny, that lead down to my Aussie cousins, today! But I Am making progress, thanks to you all!!

Bye for now, best wishes,

DiMari