HELEY or HEALEY or HEALY 1851 Liverpool (missing)

[brigidmac]

I have just looked into this family and realised i have a connection ... Edward Healey who married Sarah Grundy had a daughter Mary Ann Healey b 1840 who married Samuel Hallis

Mary ann named her first daughter b 1865 Martha(Harriet) H
So at least the name lived on ....


Then in their 60's they took on my grandmother as a baby
 she was very fond of her aunt Martha and her adoptive parents Mary Ann and Samuel



Did you ever find the other Martha's in 1851 ? ..

..Any chance that Martha Hunter aged 50 boarding with the Hallis family  in 1911 is connected

[brigidmac]

Sorry those dates don't add up .Forgot to say our Healey's lived mostly in Birkenhead from 1861

Martha junior would have been 74 in 1911 but any of the siblings  could also  have named their daughter Martha too.

 

[plimmerian]

hello!


just found this on ancestry for Martha (junior)

Name   Martha Healey
Gender   Female
Marital Status   Single
Marriage Date   05 Sep 1864
Marriage Place   Walton-On-The-Hill, Lancashire, England
Father   Edward Healey
Spouse   John Jackson Berwick

FHL Film Number   1647986
Reference ID   it 3 p 101

Household Members   
Timothy Berwick   
John Jackson Berwick   
Martha Healey   
Edward Healey

census entries still a mystery I'm afraid 

[brigidmac]

Am finding some odd things with this family

In 1841  Martha Healey was with her children
Edward was 22
Sarah  Grundy was living with them but she was aged 36 ...
Status is given as Ind.   What does that mean ?

..Could it have been her daughter that Edward  married ?

What are the ages of  Edward and Martha on that census please plimm is ii before or after the Berwick marriage ?

[plimmerian]

PS:

just found this too:

Deaths Sep 1865   
Berwick    Martha   
W Derby    8b   386

perhaps why I can't find 1871 entry!

[plimmerian]

In 1841  Martha Healey was with her children
Edward was 22
Sarah  Grundy was living with them but she was aged 36 ...
Status is given as Ind.   What does that mean ?

Ind. ~ Independent - people living on their own means (1841 Census)

under the same roof hence the "//" mark by Martha but seperate household "/" by Sarah - the end of the occupants "//"

eg:

//
John Jones - ag lab
Joan Jones - f s
/
Jones Smith - ind
//

hope that helps

 

[brigidmac]

Thanks

In 1861 Martha.s son Edward had 18 year old Mary Ann and 14 year old Sarah  then 1 year old George Healey

That seems a big age gap wonder if it was actually a grandson passed off as a son !

[plimmerian]

What are the ages of  Edward and Martha on that census please plimm is ii before or after the Berwick marriage ?

1841
Providence Place
Warwick St
//
Martha Healey    48 widow (crossed out) y
Edwd Healey    22 labourer y
John Healey    18     do      y
George Healey    16  do     y
Sarah Healey    12   f s      y
Ann Healey    10               y
Martha Healey    4            y
/
Sarah Grundy 36 ind        y
//

y = yes = born in Lancashire

[plimmerian]

marriage on lan-opc site

Marriage: 7 Nov 1847 St Michael in the Hamlet, Aigburth, Lancashire, England
Edward Healey - full age, Carter, Bachelor, Sun Street, Toxteth Park
Sarah Grundy - (X), full age, Spinster, Sun Street, Toxteth Park
    Groom's Father: Edward Healey, Painter
    Bride's Father: William Grundy, Mariner
    Witness: Martha Healy, (X); George Healy, (X)
    Married by Banns by: Wm. Hesketh, Incumbent
    Register: Marriages 1837 - 1849, Page 214, Entry 427
    Source: LDS Film 2147881