Harper family - Antrim

[scotmum]

I don’t have the time to search exhaustively for named Harpers using www.familysearch.org  I noticed an Andrew Harper having children with his wife Elizabeth Palmer with a christening and births registered as Crumlin Co Antrim Crumlin is in Camlin civil parish. In 1826 there were no Harpurs in Camlin civil parish, but there were nearly 20 Palmers So where did he come from?

In respect of this grouping, there is the possibility of an American death connected to them - further checks would be needed though, but certainly a Samuel Palmer Harper from Belfast died in Michigan in 1891 (he was apparently a commercial traveller).

[Agnetta]

Can't help thinking you should be searching Carnmoney,(Co Antrim)Presbyterian church records. My late husband's (James Alexander Harper)family started off there,and there so many Christain(first names) names in your list in common with his.  There is one family of 11 to John Harper and Isabella Jamison between 1767 and 1790 (one is James Harper b 1778, who married a Janet Hunter on 6th Jan. 1813 ) in Carnmoney. (it's part of Belfast these days)
My husbands family had gravitated to Dungiven Co Derry,by about mid 18oo's,and there a lot of Harpers in the Dungiven area,from late 1700's.
Hope this gives you a starting point,if nothing else.      Betsy Harper

[aghadowey]

May have found a lead to David Harper b.9/28/1834

David Harper, landsteward, born Co.Antrim-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Poyntzpass/Killybodagh/1037375
Wife and daughter with daughter Mildred Harvey in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newtownards_Urban/High_Street/268529

Mildred Harper born 1873 Drummaul Randalstown, mother Mary Noble-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03200/2173272.pdf

James born 1865- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPW3-3XJ
Edward Noble born 1867- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F512-64Q
Elizabeth born 1868- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPH3-7F5
Annie Noble born 1870- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPRW-SHN
John Bruce Richard born 1875- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZP-Y9K

Could be other children but will do a bit more digging

[aghadowey]

An incomplete family tree for the David Harper that I found but gives you quite a few new leads to explore-

David Harper (c1839 Co.Antrim-8 June 1910), landsteward, m.(18 Dec.1855) Mary Noble (d.1915)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Poyntzpass/Killybodagh/1037375
Administration of the Estate of David Harper late of Kilkeel County Down Land Steward who died 08 June 1910 granted at Belfast to Mary Harper the Widow. Effects £422 9s. 10d.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newtownards_Urban/High_Street/268529
Family tree- other children listed but has Elizabeth married to Robert McIlroy instead of Annie: http://www.taffyholden.co.uk/wc21/wc21_115.htm
More family details here (some of your information included but don’t know if you’ve been in contact with the author): http://www.byersmusic.com/resources/Harper%20Family%20or%20Families.pdf
1. Mary Jane Harper (c1859-aft.1911)
2. James Harper (1865)
3. Edward Noble Harper (1867-1867)
4. Elizabeth Harper (1868 Drummaul)
     Birth: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03432/2259538.pdf
5. Annie Noble Harper (1870-1956 Wales) m.(1894) Robert McIlroy
     Marriage (Annie’s address is Shane’s Castle): https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10566/5849298.pdf
     1901- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9ZY-NRN
     1911- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW62-GYJ
     Death (Annie): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCD-YBWN
          1. Grace Noble McIlroy (1895 Lewisham, London) m.(1921) Roger Jean Gustave Steylaerts
          Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCBW-X2V 
               1. Louis David Steylaerts (1923-1944 WWII)
               http://www.luchtvaarterfgoed.be/content/monument-lancaster-ll891-zn-b-fo-lodewijk-david-steylaerts
          2. Mary V. McIlroy (1897 Lewisham, London)
6. Mildred Harper (1873 Drummaul-1956) m.(c1900) Samuel Harvey (d.1952)
     Harvey Samuel of High Street Newtownards county Down retired boot merchant died 14 December 1952 Administration W/A (limited) Belfast 17 November to Sarah Lilian Harvey spinster. Effects £6046 14s. 8d.
     Harvey Mildred of 10 High Street Newtownards county Down widow died 30 April 1956 Probate Belfast 16 August to Lilian Harvey spinster. Effects £2400.
          1. John Bruce Richard Harvey (c1901-1955)
          Harvey John Bruce Richard otherwise John Bruce Randall of United Molasses Company Limited Brook House Park Lane Mayfair London and of 81 Salisbury Avenue Belfast retired merchant died 22 May 1955 at latter place Probate Belfast 10 January to the Chartered Bank of India Australia and China. Effects £50.
           2. Sarah Lillian Harvey (c1903-aft.1952)
7. John Bruce Richard Harper (1875) m. Marion Beatrice Caroline
     www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Ballina_Urban/Dillon_Terrace/699683
     Harper John Bruce Richard of "Castlenegree" Dhu Varren Portrush county Antrim retired bank manager died 20 May 1937 Probate Belfast 16 July to Bruce David Harper bank official. Effects £1676 2s. 9d.
          1. Bruce David Harper (1910 Co.Mayo-aft.1937)

[Agnetta]

Hunter - I haven't gone on Rootschat for a while,but when I was perusing yesterday I came across your Harper query. in 2015. Have you made any headway with your research since then.?
The reason I ask is because you said there was some confusion about Antrim/Derry.
My late husband,James Alexander Harper, his origins were in Carnmoney (now a northern suburb of Belfast) but 2 brothers Robert, and Hugh, were in Co Derry (Dungiven,Banagher, Limavady) from  early 1800's. ( my husband James, was GG grandson of Robert)
This may be of interest to you.
Carnmoney Presbyterian Church.
John Harper and Isabella Jamison
children - Janet
             Isaac  married Agnes Mc Cormack in 1799
             Abraham   m'd  Martha Porter in 1793
             Alexander(Alec)  m'd Eliza Moreland 1798
             Hugh  m'd Eliza Dubois 1799 and Jane Herdman in 1821
             James m'd Ann Ramsey 1807 and Janet Hunter in 1818
             Robert Park m'd Jean Hill in 1813 (my line)
             William(Billy) m'd Margaret Clark1788
             John (Jack)  m'd Margaret Mc Cormack 1800
              Mary
 Maybe you can let me know if you have already sorted out your tree. Agnetta (Betsy Harper)

[Derrel]

Hunter - I haven't gone on Rootschat for a while,but when I was perusing yesterday I came across your Harper query. in 2015. Have you made any headway with your research since then.?
The reason I ask is because you said there was some confusion about Antrim/Derry.
My late husband,James Alexander Harper, his origins were in Carnmoney (now a northern suburb of Belfast) but 2 brothers Robert, and Hugh, were in Co Derry (Dungiven,Banagher, Limavady) from  early 1800's. ( my husband James, was GG grandson of Robert)
This may be of interest to you.
Carnmoney Presbyterian Church.
John Harper and Isabella Jamison
children - Janet
             Isaac  married Agnes Mc Cormack in 1799
             Abraham   m'd  Martha Porter in 1793
             Alexander(Alec)  m'd Eliza Moreland 1798
             Hugh  m'd Eliza Dubois 1799 and Jane Herdman in 1821
             James m'd Ann Ramsey 1807 and Janet Hunter in 1818
             Robert Park m'd Jean Hill in 1813 (my line)
             William(Billy) m'd Margaret Clark1788
             John (Jack)  m'd Margaret Mc Cormack 1800
              Mary
 Maybe you can let me know if you have already sorted out your tree. Agnetta (Betsy Harper)

I am looking for a Mary Harper born about 1834 in Carnmoney to a James Harper.  Is Mary a daughter of James who married Janet Hunter in 1818?

[Agnetta]

The only one I continued research on was Robert Park Harper and Jean Hill,so have no idea about families of the other children. Sorry.

[jason mac]

The only one I continued research on was Robert Park Harper and Jean Hill,so have no idea about families of the other children. Sorry.

Agnetta would you know where the family of Joseph Hill Harper and Margaret McMurray ended up?  I was able to trace their marriage in 1839 and the births of their children in Carnmoney via the records of the Carnmoney churches, however I have never been able to locate the family members after 1860.  I believe Joseph Hill Harper would be the son of Robert Park Harper and Jean Hill.  I do have an ancestry DNA match to a marriage of an Agnes Harper whose father is stated as Joseph Harper but I cannot connect it definitely to Joseph Hill Harper.

[Agnetta]

Jason Mac Give me a couple of days to get out my Harper stuff and I'll give you what I know. OK?