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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #27 on: Monday 19 January 15 18:18 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou ever so much
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Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #28 on: Monday 19 January 15 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Just another interesting thing. Davidft found that Urias (Williams father) had married two Janes. Freebmd has marriage on 23 Nov 1861 of Urias (widower) to Jane Hosken widow. His father is Urias of course and here father is Solomon Treloar, one of the witnesses is Sampson Treloar. So could be related to William's wife Elizabeth Treloar.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 07:34 GMT (UK) »
I am struggling to find urias penaluna and Jane uren in the 1841 census please help.
The marriage that smalltowngirl found means William's father was definitely called Urias.
There seem to be three Williams born within a few years of each other in the smae part of Cornwall. If you piece the families that people have found for you on this thread together you will probably find they're all related when you get back two or three more generations.

1851 census in Grigwartha Wendron Cornwall
Urias    Panaluna    Head       34    
Jane    Panaluna    Wife       31    
Urias    Panaluna    Son        5    
Susan    Panaluna    Daughter    3    
William    Panaluna    Son       1

all born in Wendron
From FreeBMD Marriage Q3 1841 Urias Penaluna and the only possible bride called Jane is Jane Wren. One of the other brides with same reference is Ann Wren - could be Jane's sister. Free reg has Jane as Jane Uren. Urias's father is also called Urias and Jane's father is called Martin. As they married after 1841 census, you should probably be able to find them as single people hopefully living with parents, so you would be able to find more of the family.
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 08:39 GMT (UK) »
Urias is here
Piece number 139, Book    3, Folio     43, page 1
He is with Urias age 60, Ann age 50 (inferred parents) and several family members of around his own age (inferred siblings). 1841 doesn't give relationships and rounds adult ages. In same household is Elizabeth Penaluna age 50 and below her two family members age 20 and 15. Guessing from the order listed and ages that Elizabeth might be sister / sister in law of Urias snr and the two below her in the list are her children.

And Jane is here
Piece    139, Book 6, Folio 44, Page 20
Lots of Jane Urens in Cornwall, but this is only one of comparable age to Jane in 1851, in right district with father Martin.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 08:56 GMT (UK) »
FindMyPast has baptism transcription of Urias Penaluna 29 May 1816 at Wendron parents Urias and Ann.

Also marriage transcription of Urias and Ann Johns 26 Nov 1804 at Wendron.

There is a death registration of a Urias in 1844, and deaths of two Anns in the period between 1841 and 1851 censuses. Can't find either in 1851, so it looks like both Urias jnr's parents died before 1851, so not possible to get more accurate year and place of birth for either.

There is a baptism at Wendron on 21 July 1777 for a Urias Penaluna parents Alexander and Mary, which seems a bit early to match with the 1841 census even allowing for rounding of Urias's age. But I think both ages may be suspect as otherwise Ann would have married very young.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry has several baptisms of children to Urias and Ann, some match those on the 1841 census. But possibly some of the early ones had died or left home by 1841. The earliest child (Anne bapt 1805) was baptised in Constantine, all the others in Wendron. As the Urias / Ann combination is unusual, I think this must also be their child. It might give a clue as to where Ann Johns came from. First baby was often born at the maternal grandparents house. 

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Ancestry has marriage og Ann Johns and Urias on 26 Dec 1804, so earlier date might be banns, or one is a transcription error. Unfortunately neither site has a scan of register
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 10:05 GMT (UK) »
The family have been transcribed on Ancestry as Cuba Curia?! :o

Niaes  M  60
Ann  F  50
Sarah  F  20
Wrias  M  28
William  M  19
Johanah  F  15
Mary  F  6
Eliza  F  50
Thomas  M  20
Clark  M  15


I have made the necessary amendments to Ancestry! ;D
That's got to be one of the worst set of transcription errors I have ever seen?!
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Re: Mother's maiden name?
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 21 January 15 10:17 GMT (UK) »
The family have been transcribed on Ancestry as Cuba Curia?! :o



 :D :D :D :D
A new cocktail based on Cuba Libre but with Curacao added to the rum, coke and lime!

I found them on FindMyPast, Urias snr transcribed as Nials (maybe got a brother Frasier!) but Urias jnr correct and surname only has an extra "h" in, so not too easy difficult to locate.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott