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SCHMIDT and SORENSEN - Danish Family History
« on: Friday 16 January 15 23:19 GMT (UK) »
Looking for parents Christian Schmidt and Bedel Sorensen of Hans Cresteson Schmidt (from Marriage Cert in Victoria, Australia) - as the minister heard it I reckon, possibly Christian (as father?)
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M/C states Hans birthplace - Keralrcry Station, Kolding, Denmark,Europe , birth about 1852. Hard to read that first place.
Family story is he left the family which had to be between 1880 and 1885 to return to Denmark to study music.  His Australian wife Isabella died in 1885 and no mention of husband in Funeral notice.

Any advice would be great and I hope I've put my request in the right place???
Maxine
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Re: DANISH FAMILY HISTORY
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 January 15 01:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Maxine,

Hans Chrestenson might be correct, son of Chresten Schmidt.

The railway through Kolding was opened in 1866. - I have found a Kærmølle station (railway station), but this line had been opened in 1911!

Good luck
Rudolf
 
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: DANISH FAMILY HISTORY
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 January 15 07:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for message, what I might do is scan the section that has the name and you wonderful eople may be able to read it then.
Cheers
Maxine
Gray, Madigan, Purdy, Churchwood.


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Re: SCHMIDT and SORENSEN - Danish Family History
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 January 15 11:15 GMT (UK) »
In the danish emmigration archives I found this candidate:

Name:    Schmidt, Hans Christian    Occupation:    Farmer
Age:    17    Destination:    Melbourne
Contract No .:    668900    Presentation Date:    11/09/1869
Last oph.sogn:    Ødis    Last cease. County:    Vejle
Last residence:    Ødis, Kolding County    Destination country:    Australia
Destination City:    Melbourne    Destination state:    Victoria
Ship Name:    Indirect
IDkode:    I6971S1104

http://www.udvandrerarkivet.dk/udvandrerprotokollerne/

Ødis is about 20 kilometers from Kolding.

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Re: SCHMIDT and SORENSEN - Danish Family History
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 January 15 15:08 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Brian & Hi Maxine,

here are some links:

Ødis parish:  https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98dis_Sogn
- There is: Karholm (bebyggelse = settlement)

Ødis village & church:  https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98dis

Cheers Rudolf


NB: It might be that he is listed somewhere online or in a printed book as student (Matrikel).
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: SCHMIDT and SORENSEN - Danish Family History
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 January 15 23:06 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so very much once again for all the work done. 

Would that Presentation date 11/9/1869 be the date of departure and from which port would it had left.  If I can get an idea I can look at newspaper reports of the arrival of this man. I think it might just be him.   May have been a crew member also. Gold discoveries from 1850+ in Victoria drew many people from all over the world.

One other question I see SCHMIDT as from German origin, is it Danish as well? Descendants changed it to SMITH.

Many thanks again, your work is much appreciated. I've looked at the links also and translated with Google's help.
HILSEN
Maxine
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Re: SCHMIDT and SORENSEN - Danish Family History
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 January 15 00:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Maxine,

there is a Danish politican with the name https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Schmidt (!) and there are other Danish Schmidt's.

The southern part of Danmark had been German, and at different times the northern part of Germany had been Danish...

Until 1864 Altona - today a part of Hamburg - had been an important port of Denmark!

Ports might have been Esbjerg, Altona or Hamburg, but he might have taken an other ship in England.

Rudolf
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: SCHMIDT and SORENSEN - Danish Family History
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 January 15 00:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi again
Just found what I think is the 1860 census and the family - this is the heading.
Vejle, Norre Tyrstrup, Odis (Slesvisk) Bramdrup, 9 Kaadnersted, 134-F2, FT 1860 B1953.

The family is Christian Schmidt 35, Eier af et Kaadnersted, Huusfader (owner of Kaadnersted, Huusfader  - a better translation of this please)  birth place Kainaes, Sonderborg  ( I found Sonderborg on the map but not Kainaes).
Bodil f.  (so possibly Bedel as on on the Marriage Cert.)    Hans 8 which fits in with 9 years later he is 17. and then Soren Hansen 5  (is this male or female)

So excited to find this would love the marriage of these two??

Hilsen
 Maxine
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Re: SCHMIDT and SORENSEN - Danish Family History
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 January 15 01:07 GMT (UK) »
Hans was born as Hans Chrestensen Smed on 11 September 1852. Smed is the danish word for smith.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-33574-14098-25?cc=2078555&wc=M5KL-HZH:357517301,360473001,360496601,360501401

The parents married 6 August 1852 in Ødis:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-33574-15713-26?cc=2078555&wc=M5KL-HZH:357517301,360473001,360496601,360501401

Kådnersted is a small farm and huusfader means head of household.
Kainaes is now spelled Kegnæs.
Søren is a male name.

Brian