The mysterious Wall family of Plymouth

[Nimrod58]

Albert Edward M Wall was born in 1883 in Devonport (Jun 1883 Stoke Damerel 5b 313) and died in Plymouth in 1963.  He married a Violet Hancock in 1910.

His father was George Wall born in 1865 in Devonport who died in Plymouth in 1943 and, it is understood, married a Mary Blight Toleman (b 1863 Plymouth) in 1882 in Stoke Damerel (Jun 1882 SD 5b 657).

He can be found on the 1891 census with Mary and his sons.

However, I can't find a birth record for either George Wall or Mary Blight Toleman.

I have a feeling that George might have changed his name from Watts (with a link to Charles Watts born 1825 in Jersey) to Wall but can find nothing definitive so would appreciate any help offered with this one.   

Thanks

[miriamkinga]

There's a Mary B Toleman on the 1881 census - ref RG11/2291/31/1  -she listed as the daughter of Joe Nicholls and a widow but she's much older than she should be - 53.

[miriamkinga]

Marriage on FreeBMD Sept qtr 1851 - two of the possible candidates are Mary Blight Nicholls and William Toleman - vol 9 page 41.

[miriamkinga]

Baptism for Mary Blight Nicholls  (Cornwall baptisms) daughter of Joseph & Sarah 21/12/1826 in Bodmin, Cornwall - again too old.

[miriamkinga]

It's got me all confused this one - sorry 

Do you have the marriage certificate - should give her age & father too.

[Nimrod58]

No marriage cert yet and it's really the Wall family I'm after ... her being equally mysterious just adds the icing on the cake ....

[KGarrad]

Albert's birth certificate would confirm his parent's names?
And the marriage certificate of George and Mary would confirm HIS father's name.

[osprey]

1861 census
50a Cornwall St, Stoke Damerel RG9/1451 folio 23 pg 40
Mary Wall head widow 43 stay maker b. Plymouth
Edward son 18 stay maker
Rosetta dau 10
Mary dau 8
George son 6
all children born Devonport

1851 census, age for Edward doesn't match, but there is a Rosetta of the right age
7 Monument Lane, Stoke Damerel
Edd. Wall head mar 49 boatman b. Lambeth, Surrey
Mary wife 34
Jane dau 6
Edwd son 2
Rosetta dau 6 mo
Jane Smyth sister in law 30
Richd. Smyth nephew 7
Mary Jane Smyth niece 4
the other Walls born Devonport, the Smyths born Plymouth

possible marriages
Edward Wall june qtr 1841 Plymouth vol 9 pg 450 with Mary Bayley on the same page
Jane Bayley dec qtr 1845 Stoke Damerell vol 9 pg 569 with Percy Scott Smythe on the same page

[osprey]

have you eliminated this birth reg?
George Richard Carew Wall sep qtr 1854 Stoke D vol 5b pg 285

Possible death reg for father
Edward Wall sep qtr 1855 Stoke D vol 5b pg 163