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Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« on: Tuesday 27 January 15 14:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

I am researching my family history.
I am looking everywhere but can not find a lot of information on the following family who lived in lotus street at Ann's nottinngham.
They were gypsys and most of them were hawkers selling fruit and fish.

Eleanor smith and James smith and their children Alice, violet Ann, James, Thomas and kyme.
If anyone has any information on them it would be very much appreciated

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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 January 15 15:07 GMT (UK) »
When were they in Lotus Street in Nottingham?

As you know these were Gypsy Smiths have a look at the Romany and Traveller Family History Society website www.rtfhs.org.uk

 
Gypsy DRAPERs, children of Billy and Mary - Ellen,Darnity,Spencer,Billy Jnr,Kisby,Ellick
Descendants of Fred and Esther (Garrett) WHITLOCK - Wavendon, Woburn Sands area
Descendants of George and Barbara (Willis) SUTTON - Earls Barton and Nether Heyford
BISSELL - Hanslope, New Bradwell, Bucks and Aston, Birmingham area
Lavinia DRAPER died 1840 Cranfield
Gypsies in the Bow Brickhill and Beds/Bucks border areas

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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 January 15 16:10 GMT (UK) »
They lived there around 1890 till nellies death in 1950. Been on Romani websites but just can't find anything on them

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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 January 15 18:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

I am researching my family history.
I am looking everywhere but can not find a lot of information on the following family who lived in lotus street at Ann's nottinngham.
They were gypsys and most of them were hawkers selling fruit and fish.

Eleanor smith and James smith and their children Alice, violet Ann, James, Thomas and kyme.
If anyone has any information on them it would be very much appreciated

If I have the correct family it doesn't look to me like they were "gypsies"

Is this them in 1901?

16 Nugent St Nottingham( by next census they were in Lotus st)

James Smith Head M 27 Fish & Fruit seller own a/c
Nellie wife 24 Lace Hand at home
Alice daughter 4
Hyme son 1 (entered as Kyme on later census)
Harry Ashley Boarder S 35 Builders Carter
Nellie Blackwell Boarder sS 33 Lace Hand at home
RG13 3176 81 26

It seems their children were :
Alice
Kyme?Hyme
Louisa Eleanor
James henry
Thomas William
Violet Ann

plus another child who died before 1911 census was taken

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 January 15 18:48 GMT (UK) »
is this their marriage reg?

FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1893
nottingham
on same page
James Smith
Nellie Ashley
7b 571

so if Nellie was an Ashley was Henry Ashley who was  boarding with James & Nellie in 1901 some relation??

This looks like james in 1891
Mount East Street
Nottingham
Henry Smith head M 50 Marine Store dealer
Ann wife 46
Thomas son S 22 Marine Store dealer
JAMES son S 19 Hawker
all b Nottingham
RG12 269 758 8

and maybe 1881?
29 School Croft Sheffield Yks
Henry Smith head 40 general labourer Nottingham
Ann wife 35 Nottingham
Frank son 17 general labourer Nottingham
Henry son 14 scholar Sheffield Yks
Thomas son 12 scholar Sheffield
JAMES son 9 Nottingham
RG11 4641 71 20

but no sign of the family being Romanies???

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 January 15 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Marriage cert is really needed to confirm James and Nellie's parents

Suz
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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 January 15 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Yes this is the right family.

I am guessing that they were gypsys as my family said that there were stories that they were.
Going by their surnames which were smith and ashley and by their jobs as marine store dealers and hawkers, they moved from nottingham to Sheffield then back again.
I have no one left in my family yo confirm much as my nan never spoke about her family.

My great nan was violet ann smith born 1908, daughter of Nellie and James smith.
She had my nan at 17 years in the workhouse, then she was taken home to be raised by Nellie and James. She never met her mum.

I have since come to find out that violet passed away in 1952 in mapperly hospital.
I need to find out who admitted her there and why? Will also be getting her death cert got confirmation of cause of death.

It's really sad she was locked away all her life.

Want to find photos or more stories about them.

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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 January 15 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Death certificate will give cause of death and there should be the name of informant  -you may find records of who admitted her to hospital

I have gone further back and there still are no signs of a Romany connection

I have more information on Kyme Smith -his birth marriage and death

This is his probate record
Kyme Smith of 7 Queens terrace Lotus St St Anns Well Road Nottingham died 20 Jan 1947 at City Hospital Nottingham Administration Nottingham 11 Mar to Leslie Kyme Smith, Fruiterer, & Edna Smith (wife of Leslie Kyme Smith)
Effects 133

Leslie Kyme Smith was Kyme's son - he died 1989

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Re: Smith family of St Anns nottingham
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 January 15 12:39 GMT (UK) »
JAMES Smith Baptised  18 Aug 1872 St Patrick Rc, Nottingham
Parents HENRY/ANN nee KEELEY
(Source FreeREG)

1871 in Sheffield, Yorkshire;
Henry Smith, 31, Head, Mar, Labourer, born Nottinghamshire
Ann Smith , 24, Wife, Mar, born Nottinghamshire
Frank Smith, 7, Son, born Nottingamshire
Henry Smith, 4, Son, born Sheffield
Thomas Smith, 1, Son, born Sheffiled
Orvin Hesby, 40, Baorder, Unm, Labourer,  (Owen Keely) born Ireland

Marriage Reg FreeBMD;
Sept 1865, Nottingham, 7n 236
Henry SMITH, Ann KEALEY on same page

Looks like Frank was born before the Marriage;
FRANCIS Keely Birth Reg June 1864 Nottingham, 7b 259

Following Ann back she seems to be Lodging in Notts in 1861 under Ann KEELEY born c 1844 Notts, Occp Lace Dresser
In the Household is a Ellen Keely born c 1838 Notts who is also a Lodger and Occp is Cotton Doubler.

1851 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire we have;
Timothy Keeley, 44, Framework Knitter
Mary Keeley, 48
Sarah Keeley,15, Factory Hand
ELLEN Keeley, 12, Factory Hand
Mary Keeley, 8, Seamstress
ANN Keeley, 6, Scholar
All are down as born Ireland except Sarah who has Nottingham as pob.

1881 Timothy is born Dublin
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