Citing from a record set at FindMyPast?

[texas_nightowl]

Hi everyone! My first post here so I hope this is the right board.

I am from the US and doing research on our ancestors from Yorkshire (North Riding) in the first half of the 1800's.

Previously I used FamilySearch and Ancestry.com but we are temporarily trying FindMyPast and have found a few things!

But I am struggling over how best to cite this information.

One example is from the "Yorkshire, Archbishop of York Marriage licences index, 1613-1839" record set. There is no image, only a transcription. It also gives information of: Record sequence number   14 and Page number   180 but no real information I can find on what that relates to. This transcription database is provided by/obtained from Borthwick Institute.

The sort of best free form citation I've come up with so far is:
"Yorkshire, Archbishop of York Marriage licenses index, 1613-1839 Transcription". Online database, FindMyPast (http://findmypast.com). Database by Borthwick Institute for Archives (accessed 31 Jan 2015); spouse names, license date.

Any suggestions on how to improve my citation or given the incomplete information provided by findmypast is this the best compromise?

Thanks for any input! I'll probably be posting to the North Riding boards soon!

[BumbleB]

Welcome to RootsChat 

I think you've captured it all.  Can't think of anything to improve what you have written 

[texas_nightowl]

Thank you!

I hate trying to figure out citations but need to get over it and be more consistent about it.

On this one I just wish I knew what that record "sequence" number 14 referred to. I would guess a volume, but without more information, who knows?

I need to get over my perfectionist tendencies and just do the best I can with the information I have!

 

Thanks!

Look for me in the North Riding section soon!  Family from Middleton (by Pickering), Ellerburn, and Hackness parishes.

[BumbleB]

As the entry on FindMyPast is an index only, I would hazard a guess that the sequence number, page number and volume, refer to the location of the records at the Borthwick Institute.

I don't know how deeply you are researching - but whenever I have found a reference to a Marriage Licence, I have purchased a copy of the Bond and Allegation, which will give you additional information regarding the couple.  For instance, location, occupation and marital status of the groom, and if the bride is under age then it should record the name of the person giving consent to the marriage.  Assuming they were literate, it will also give you signatures.  All of my purchases have given me valuable additional information.  If you do decide to go down this route, then contact the Borthwick Institute direct.

And I'll look out for you on the North Riding board. 

[texas_nightowl]

Actually, this particular "record set" has most of that information. This source, Yorkshire, Archbishop of York Marriage licences index, 1613-1839, has apparently been transcribed as provided to FindMyPast by Borthwick.

No occupation is provided...and if they were literate, signatures would be interesting so this will definitely go on my list for a future order. The license was issued in August 1835 and they married 05 Sept 1835. It is my understanding that a license was required as she was residing in a different parish?

Anyway, here is the text from the entry.
First name(s) John
Last name Hunter
Age 22
Birth year 1813
Residence parish Hackness
Residence county Yorkshire
Licence year 1835
Licence date 03 Aug 1835
Intended marriage place Hackness PC
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Wardell
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's parish Wykeham
Spouse's county Yorkshire
Notes -
Document ordering http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form
Record sequence number 14
Page number 180
Record set Yorkshire, Archbishop of York Marriage licences index, 1613-1839
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom

[BumbleB]

As I said, this is only an index on FindMyPast.  One of mine for you to look at - John Milner born 1791, married 1812 - will give you that John is 21 and that Elizabeth Greenwood is 19, parish is Halifax.

Allegation - aged 21, a bachelor, Bookseller of Halifax.  Elizabeth Greenwood - aged 19, spinster of the same parish.  Marrying with the consent of Joseph Greenwood, the natural and lawful father. 

One where there is no minor involved - Index dated 1767 states Thomas Archbell, aged 60, Catherine aged 25, parish of Tadcaster.  Allegation - Thomas Archbell of Tadcaster, farmer, aged 60, widower.  Catherine Croslan of Tadcaster, aged 25, spinster.





AND - you've an under-age bride    A licence was not necessarily issued because the bride and groom were from different parishes - it was issued because, for one reason or another, the couple and/or their families did not wish to have the Banns called.

[texas_nightowl]

Well....really. Learning a lot here already!

An "order" to Borthwick might be sooner than I thought.

Also, just to clarify...Bond and Allegation...two separate documents? Or is it "Bond and Allegation" as one document?

And underage? I guess I didn't really think of 19 as being underage. Was legal age 21 then?

Thanks so much!

[BumbleB]

Bond and Allegation is 2 pages.  The licence itself would be the third page, but obviously this was given to the church.The Allegation states groom's intention to marry the bride, and gives a location for the marriage.

Bonds contained the sworn statements of relatives or friends that they knew of no impediment to the marriage, confirming that the marriage would take place in a certain church and the amounts of money by which these people were bound, usually two hundred pounds, which they would forfeit if the licence was not complied with.

Under age was under 21.

[jennywren001]

Hi and welcome,

You might find this of use:
http://www.genealogy.com/19_wylie.html
at the end of the day a citation is there to inform the reader where the information came from - the best citations allow the reader to find the sources you used easily.

With writing up, as opposed to documenting, I'm finding the problem is trying to explain the processes I've gone through to reach to my conclusions while not putting the reader to sleep!
Jen