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Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« on: Wednesday 11 February 15 02:44 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure where this should go so hopefully the mods can help out please?

I'm also not sure of the look-up protocol & what if any ancestry websites I can refer to or if I can mention specific census records?

Anyway, here's my quandry; My 2nd G Grandmother is Margaret Grundy nee Halsall b. abt 1824 in Wigan. She married Daniel Grundy b 1823 a wheelwright from Worsley. They were married in 1845 with his father given as Peter from Worsley & hers as Richard a farmer also from Worsely & both dads were farmers.

Daniel & Margaret had 7 children, 5 of which were still living in 1911. All 7 are accounted for in 1861 but their father Daniel has died sometime in late 1860 or early '61. The 1911 record shows that 2 children have died. I know Mary died in 1905 and I'm certain that her first 3 older children Alice, Daniel & James are all accounted for in 1911. I am less certain about her other 3 sons; Peter b abt 1856, William b abt 1858 & Thomas b 1860. I can find no baptism records for any of these three, no marriage Banns & no confirmed deaths. My only records are census' records. I'm confident that Peter, an engraver like his brother Daniel, married a "Lizzie" or "Eliza", William I believe married an Abigail & if correct both were alive in 1911, leaving Thomas who was 31 on the 1891 census & a "striker" probably for a blacksmith ... a similar occupation to his late father?
 
So here's the rub; 87 year old Margaret, the mother, claims to have a daughter-in-law Catherine Grundy living with her on the 1911 census but I can find no record of a marriage to Thomas (or any son for that matter). A widow Catherine Grundy also shows up on a 1901 census as a lodger but not living with "family" as far as I can tell. Did Thomas marry a Catherine? If so when & where. He would have been in his mid 30's and seemingly had no children ... or at least Catherine doesn't seem to have any?     
Any help would be much appreciated,
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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 February 15 04:58 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage in 1899 for a Thomas GRUNDY and Catherine REGAN (the other couple seem to appear together on the 1901 census) and this death in 1900:

Death
Jun Quarter 1900   
GRUNDY, Thomas
aged 39
Manchester
Vol 8d
Page 152

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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 February 15 11:37 GMT (UK) »
is this a relation?

Marriage: 23 Sep 1878 St Paul, Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Grundy - 27, Engineer, Bachelor, Peel
Catharine Astle - 21, Winder, Spinster, Peel
Groom's Father: Thomas Grundy, Labourer
Bride's Father: James Astle, Blacksmith
Witness: Robert Astle; Alice Astle

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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 February 15 11:46 GMT (UK) »
1856  Peter GRUNDY mother's maiden name HALSALL registered in 1856 Ancoats, Manchester
1858 William GRUNDY mother's maiden name HALSALL registered in 1856 Ancoats, Manchester
1860 Thomas  GRUNDY mother's maiden name HALSALL registered in 1856 Ancoats, Manchester


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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 February 15 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Alice GRUNDY in 1847 Eastern Bolton  mmn HALSALL
James  GRUNDY in 1849 Farnworth Bolton mmn HALSALL
Mary GRUNDY in 1852 Little Hulton Bolton mmn HALSALL
Daniel  GRUNDY  in 1854 Little Hulton Bolton mmn HALSALL

all from www.lancashirebmd.org .uk


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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 February 15 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Baptism: 4 Apr 1847 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Alice Grundy - Daughter of Daniel Grundy & Margaret
Abode: Worsley
Occupation: Wheelwright
Baptised by: Robert Broadley
   

Baptism: 8 Aug 1852 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Mary Grundy - Daughter of Daniel Grundy & Margaret
Born: 30 Apr 1852
Abode: Worsley
Occupation: Wheelwright
Baptised by: W. B. Marsden
 


Baptism: 11 Jun 1854 Ellenbrook Chapel, Worsley, Lancashire, England
David Grundy - [Child] of Daniel Grundy & Margaret
Abode: Little Hulton
Occupation: Wheelwright
Baptised by: J. H. Johnson

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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 February 15 12:19 GMT (UK) »
From LancashireBMD -

Thomas Grundy married Catherine Regan in 1899 - Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended.

Thomas Grundy death in 1900 - aged 39 - Ancoats Sub-District

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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 February 15 15:46 GMT (UK) »
That's great Debra, thanks so much!

The death information you found certainly fits, and if the rest pieces of the puzzle fits, it's quite a  tragic story. At the time of the 1861 census Tom, the youngest of seven, was only six months old and his mother Margaret had buried his father in January of that year. So he never knew this father and spend the next 39 years at home helping his mother watching his brothers move out only to finally get married himself and die the very next year.

Some questions regarding the marriage index you sent me naming Thomas & Catherine & what I believe are the two witnesses? I've run into this before & I usually know the maiden name or recognise other names on the index but in this case I don't know either of the other two? More importantly, someone (an ancestry website member) has made a correction or addition to the record stating the spouse's name is actually "Eliza Fisher"? A name not even mentioned on the index, nor one I can find a record of associated with a Grundy. I have left a message for the person who made the change & hopefully they're still around to provide me with an answer or explanation.

Otherwise I assume I'll have to purchase a copy of the certificate to be certain? Or is that what "look ups" potentially can do for me?

Your thoughts?

Thanks again,

Grunge

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Re: Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 February 15 15:52 GMT (UK) »
1856  Peter GRUNDY mother's maiden name HALSALL registered in 1856 Ancoats, Manchester
1858 William GRUNDY mother's maiden name HALSALL registered in 1856 Ancoats, Manchester
1860 Thomas  GRUNDY mother's maiden name HALSALL registered in 1856 Ancoats, Manchester

Yes thanks, these are all confirmed siblings and children of Daniel & Margaret Grundy nee Halsall to go with the other four kids they had earlier. I believe I have Peter & William's marriage details but Thomas was missing ... I also think the information about Catherine Regan is promising but as you'll see from my response to Debra there is some confusion?
What do you think?