Catherine Grundy daughter-in-law but to which son

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Baptism: 4 Apr 1847 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Alice Grundy - Daughter of Daniel Grundy & Margaret
Abode: Worsley
Occupation: Wheelwright
Baptised by: Robert Broadley
   

Baptism: 8 Aug 1852 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Mary Grundy - Daughter of Daniel Grundy & Margaret
Born: 30 Apr 1852
Abode: Worsley
Occupation: Wheelwright
Baptised by: W. B. Marsden
 


Baptism: 11 Jun 1854 Ellenbrook Chapel, Worsley, Lancashire, England
David Grundy - [Child] of Daniel Grundy & Margaret
Abode: Little Hulton
Occupation: Wheelwright
Baptised by: J. H. Johnson

Yes Heather these are all correct ... except David is Daniel. James is my great grandfatherAlice never married (and my father remembers some family "talk" of her being a bit "simple" ... she lived with Margaret all her life and died in an asylum after her mother died. :-( 

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From LancashireBMD -

Thomas Grundy married Catherine Regan in 1899 - Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended.

Thomas Grundy death in 1900 - aged 39 - Ancoats Sub-District

Thanks B, I think this must be Thomas and the Catherine in question ... strange I can find no Banns? Also as I said in my response to Debra, on the BMD someone has indicated that an Eliza is the spouse? Based on the other evidence I think the Eliza information is wrong and Tom did marry Catherine ... only to pass away the next year :-(

I will order the certificate.

Thanks for all your help everyone!

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is this a relation?

Marriage: 23 Sep 1878 St Paul, Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
William Grundy - 27, Engineer, Bachelor, Peel
Catharine Astle - 21, Winder, Spinster, Peel
Groom's Father: Thomas Grundy, Labourer
Bride's Father: James Astle, Blacksmith
Witness: Robert Astle; Alice Astle

I don't think so ... at least not directly. Parish records & especially those of the church in Eccles, Worsely suggest there were a very large number of Grundy's in the area around that time. My GG grandfather Peter seems to have got an Alice Bowker pregnant and had an illegitimate daughter also named Alice, before marrying her(?) and having several more children, including Peter. Clearly my family lived in Little Hulton for time prior to the their move into the "city" ... Ancoats, so we maybe related but not directly that I can confirm.

Thanks HJ 

[BumbleB]

The entries from LancashireBMD are from the lists of Birth, Marriage and Death Registrations within the County since 1837, and are prepared from the records held by the various Register Offices.  These are being transcribed by Family History Groups to make them freely searchable via the internet.  In the case of marriages those that appear within the lists show the venue, and from the information given for Thomas and Catherine's entry I would think that the venue was Manchester Register Office, rather than a church of any denomination - MCR RM is the code shown for Manchester Register Office.

[Grunge]

The entries from LancashireBMD are from the lists of Birth, Marriage and Death Registrations within the County since 1837, and are prepared from the records held by the various Register Offices.  These are being transcribed by Family History Groups to make them freely searchable via the internet.  In the case of marriages those that appear within the lists show the venue, and from the information given for Thomas and Catherine's entry I would think that the venue was Manchester Register Office, rather than a church of any denomination - MCR RM is the code shown for Manchester Register Office.

Right, so they probably just went to the registry office rather than getting married at the church, I wonder why? Anyway, very good to know B ... thank you!
There will be still be a certificate confirming their father's, their occ's and their address though, yes?
Thanks again,

Grunge

[BumbleB]

Oh yes, the certificate will give you exactly the same information as for a church marriage.  You still have to give the statutory 3 weeks notice, or obtain a Marriage Licence.  As for why - who knows.  I got married in a Register Office because my husband and I have no religious affiliations, and did not feel the "need" to have a religious ceremony.

[BumbleB]

Just had a look at my marriage certificate - 50 years ago - and it says that the marriage was "by Certificate".  But I do remember going to the RO and asking "when's the soonest we can get married?".  "Do you want to obtain a Licence?" "No"  "three weeks on Saturday" "OK, that'll do fine"

[heatherjulie]

Could this be 'your' Thomas's grave?

12/05/1900 Thomas Grundy
 Philips Park Cemetery
Grave number KConsecrated 1581 

[heatherjulie]

Do you have this information?

Philips Park Cemetery
LConsecrated 776
 
1 Margaret Grundy buried 26th September 1911
2 Alice Grundy buried 25th November 1911
3 Daniel Grundy buried 14th May 1927
4 James Grundy buried 13th November 1954
5 Helena Grundy buried 10th May 1963