Relationship advice please :-)

[Beg Clonrode...]

Hi all...

In chronological order....

Imagine that Alice marries Bob. (Wife and husband)
Alice has a brother Charles. (Sister and brother)
Charles then has a son Donald. (Father and son)

So the relationship of Bob to Donald is uncle-in-law, commonly just called uncle.

Then imagine that Alice and Bob divorce.
Charles then has another son called Edward. (Father and son)

Is Edward related to Bob. If not, is Donald still related to Bob.

Bob then has a second marriage. He marries Fiona. They have a daughter Gina.

Is Gina related to Donald and/or Edward.

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I'm tentatively saying that Gina is not related to Edward but she is Donald's ex-half first cousin-in-law.

Wondering what someone who know's what they're talking about thinks :-)

Thanks
Beg

[wivenhoe]

"...ex-half first cousin-in-law".........seems unnecessarily awkward, and probably requiring further explanation.

If Gina was wanting to identify Donald and Edward, it might be more useful to name them as the nephews of Alice, her father's first wife?.

[majm]

Bob has NO biological relationship to Charles, or Charles' son, Donald or Charles' son, Edward. 

The use of the honorific “Uncle Bob” by Donald is simply that, just an honorific. 

At no time was Donald or Edward formally related to Bob. 

Regardless of when Bob divorces Alice (Alice being the Aunt of both Donald and Edward BECAUSE she is a sibling of their Dad), Bob was not ever a blood relative of either Donald or Edward.

Whether Bob and Alice were married, or just co-habitating, there is no blood relationship between Bob and Donald and Edward.

Whether Bob formally married Fiona, or just co-habitates with Fiona, Fiona and Bob’s daughter Gina is not a blood relative of either Donald or Edward.      If you wish to give a label to an apparent relationship between Gina and Donald & Edward perhaps it would be best to say “Gina’s Dad was once married to the sister of Donald and Edward’s Dad”.

Cheers,  JM 

[majm]

I am assuming of course that neither Bob nor Fiona is a blood relative to Alice and her brother Charles   or the mums of Donald or Edward     

[Beg Clonrode...]

"...ex-half first cousin-in-law".........seems unnecessarily awkward

Hello Wivenhoe... Forgot to add a smiley

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The use of the honorific “Uncle Bob” by Donald is simply that, just an honorific. 
At no time was Donald or Edward formally related to Bob. 

Hello Majm... Thanks for the reply. I fully appreciate that Bob is not biologically related to Donald and Edward but is not "uncle-in-law" a formal (i.e genealogical) term. I would think that sister-in-law and brother-in-law are formal terms so why not uncle-in-law or cousin-in-law.

If you wish to give a label.....

That's the point. The names have been changed :-) but I've actually been asked to "give a label" to this exact situation and I'm not a genealogist. Anyone can say “Gina’s Dad was once married to the sister of Donald and Edward’s Dad” but "Gina" and "Edward" wonder if someone who knows what they're talking about can formalise their relationship.

Quite prepared to tell them that there's no formal relationship but it would be nice for them if there were.

Thanks again
Beg

[majm]

Quite prepared to tell them that there's no formal relationship but it would be nice for them if there were.

There is no formal relationship.


From a social viewpoint, the easiest label would be Donald and Edward are Gina's step-cousins.  Assuming of course that Step relationships are not blood relationships (Add, so hopefully the friendship relationships can survive regardless of any divorces for the aunt/uncle/parent that introduced Donald and Edward to Gina or vice versa)

Cheers,  JM

[Beg Clonrode...]

Aha! We have a winner... ex-half first step cousins-in-law

If that doesn't bring a smile to their faces nothing will.

Thanks for your help Majm.

Spades... I think this can be filed away as completed.

All the best
Beg