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Born out of wedlock
« on: Saturday 14 February 15 13:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
Some help please.
My great grandfather George Miller 1855-1931 fathered 2 children in Malvern with a lady
by the name of Emma Allen.The dates given are 1st March 1896 and 25th August 1898.
He later married a woman whose first name was Emily who had a child named Edward b1903.
Any information would be helpful.
Many Thanks

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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 February 15 13:17 GMT (UK) »

 Emily-Emma.... same person?

When + where did he marry? names of 1st 2 children, have you found the family in 1901/11
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Derbyshire:Wilcockson

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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 February 15 13:18 GMT (UK) »
hi
This could be Emma
1901 census Hillside cottage Colwall
Emma Allen single 37 charwoman Whiteheath Staffs(perhaps the one by West Bromwich)
Ada 8 scholar Malvern (servant Wales latter census)
Mabel 5 scholar Malvern

GRO births for first of those dates Maud Mary Allen Mar 1896 Ledbury 6a  419

Will see what else I can find
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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 February 15 13:32 GMT (UK) »

 No children according to 1901 census.

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 14 February 15 13:33 GMT (UK) »
Possible marriage?

September qtr 1900
Birmingham district     vol 6d, page 20

Miller, George
+ and on the same page +
Schofield, Emily


The numbers on the 1911 census indicate a marriage c1900? ;D
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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 14 February 15 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everybody for input.
I think you have something cider drinker,as George Miller lived and worked in Colwall.
Does it give a surname for the children.

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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 February 15 13:45 GMT (UK) »
Just Allen I'm afraid.
Emma Allen married 2.6.1901 at Colwall
Emma d of Charles Allen 36 married Frederick George Jones 24 son of William Jones.

Emma's birth seems to be registered in Gloucestershire 1865 but she is with her parents Charles and Sarah Allen nee Alford in Colwall from 1871 and usually she says her birthplace is Whiteheath Staffordshire.
She seems to have one son William Jones with Fred born in 1902.

Have had a look for Mabel latter on but no sign of her.
An Ada Jane Allen age 26 seems to marry st Colwall in 1919 William Copeland age 33 son of William Copeland.
But her father is down as Harold James Allen on Familysearch.
So not sure if it's the same woman

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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 February 15 14:02 GMT (UK) »
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He later married a woman whose first name was Emily who had a child named Edward b1903.

Just to clarify do you mean Emily came to the marriage with a son called Edward? 
So he married her after 1903?
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Re: Born out of wedlock
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 February 15 14:54 GMT (UK) »
If I have the right George he is born c 1856 Cheriton, Hampshire in last Census?
Ledbury is the Reg District they are living in.

Looks like Edward was his Son born after Marriage;

F/S has a Birth Reg/Death Reg in Ledbury and this is from FreeBMD;
Birth Reg; ALBERT EDWARD Miller, March 1903, Ledbury, 6a 487
Death Reg; ALBERT E Miller, Dec 1913, Ledbury, 6a 518, age 10 (birth c 1903)

George MILLER age 42, Father THOMAS Miller, married Emily SCHOFIELD age 38, Father JOHN Schofield, 06 Aug 1900, All Saints, Birmingam, Wrwickshire
Both down as Single
(Familysearch.Org)

1901 in Colwall, Herfordshire we have;
George Miller, 45, Head, Mar, Brewer, born Cherstin, Hampshire
Emily Miller, 39, Wife, Mar, born Malvern, Worcestershire
Henry Campbell, 27, Boarder, S, Insurance Agent,  born Highnam, Gloucestershire

1871 George seems to be the Son of THOMAS 1822/HARRIETT 1826 and living in Cheriton. 

Looks too me he lied on M/C as he seems to be married in 1881, Occp Malsters Labourer

Aaah;
A Tree has a Newspaper Article about their Divorce, Annie having committed Adultery.
They seem to have had 4 Children, 3 living at time of Divorce;
Gertrude Annie Miller
1881 1922
Alice Mary Miller
1883 1969
Florence Kate Miller
1885
Alfred George Miller
1886 1886

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