Haggart Ancestry

[Rosinish]

1871

William Haggart

Age: 9

Estimated birth year: abt 1862

Relationship: Son

Father's name: Thomas Haggart

Mother's name: Isabel Haggart

Gender: Male

Where born: Errol, Perthshire

Registration Number: 351

Registration district: Errol

Civil Parish: Errol

County: Perthshire

Occupation: Scholar

ED: 8

Household schedule number: 93

LINE: 10

Roll: CSSCT1871_62

Household Members:

Thomas Haggart  55 b Errol

 Isabel Haggart  42 b Errol

Margaret Haggart  13

William Haggart  9

Christina Haggart  5

 Isabel Haggart  3
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1901

William Haggart

Age: 38

Estimated birth year: abt 1863

Relationship: Head

Gender: Male

Where born: Errol, Perthshire

Registration Number: 351

Registration district: Errol

Civil Parish: Errol

County: Perthshire

Address: Chapelhill

Occupation: Brickburner

ED: 6

Household schedule number: 54

LINE: 1

Roll: CSSCT1901_119

Household Members:

William Haggart  38

Jane Haggart  38

William Haggart  9

Annie

[Forfarian]

19 William Hag(g)arts were born in Scotland 1863-1873, of whom five were born in Dundee and one in Arbirlot, both places in Angus.

However in the 1881 census there is only one William Haggart born 1863-1783 in Dundee and still living in Scotland. This is the son of David Haggart and Janet Mowatt, born 17 May 1870. The Arbirlot one, son of David Haggart and Mary Livingston, is also in Dundee.

Scotland's People has four deaths of William Haggarts born 1863-1873 and died before 1881, but just two died in Angus. Only one of the two died in Dundee. You could get those two death certificates from SP, which would definitively eliminate at least two candidates.

Nine more William Haggarts born 1863-1873 died in Scotland after 1881, none of them in Angus. So your one has to be one of six remaining ones who did not die in Scotland. There is just one death in England and Wales of a possible candidate, who died in Anglesey, Wales in 1948 aged 77.

There were no William Haggarts born 1863-1873 in Scotland and in either the USA census of 1880 or the Canadian census of 1881.

The USA Census of 1940 lists the family as William, 70, born Scotland; wife Mary J, 62, born Canada, son Kenneth, 25, born Michigan; daughter-in-law Helen, 18, born Michigan; grandson, 1, born Michigan.

In 1920 the family consisted of William, 50, born Scotland, immigrated 1892, plus wife Mary J, 43, born Canada, and six sons, the eldest, William, 18, born in Canada.

A family in Sarnia, Lambton, Ontario in 1901 consists of William Haggart, born 22 June 1867, Scotland, with wife J Mary, born 16 June 1876, born somewhere I can't decipher in Ontario, and son William, born 22? February 1900, Sarnia. William Sr had immigrated to Canada in 1889 and was naturalised there the same year. I note with disappointment that none of the William Haggarts born in Scotland between 1863 and 1873 was born on 22 June.

There are three children in the Ontario birth records - Annie Isabella 1894, William James 1900, Ogle Anderson 1902. Do Canadian birth certificates tell you much about the parents? Do they tell you the date and place of the parents' marriage?

Can you get his Canadian naturalisation papers? What about the US - obviously they moved to Michigan around 1903, but did they become US citizens?

[andycand]

Hi

William Hoggard (sic) age 27 born Scotland parents Thomas & Isabella and Mary J Carman age 20 born Moore (Ontario?) parents Robt & Jane married Lambton, Ontario 19th Sept 1894.

Andy

 

[Forfarian]

I wondered if perhaps William was illegitimate, or if his father died and his mother later married a Thomas Haggart. But I don't think that can be the case.

There are just two Williams born in Scotland on 22 June 1867 with mother Isabella.

One in Rescobie, Angus to Charles Carnegy and Isabella Tosh, and one in Dundee to William Walker and Isabella Marshall.

The Rescobie one has the middle name of Alexander, and he is with his parents and siblings in the 1881 census, so it can't be him unless he dropped the middle name, adopted the surname Haggart for some other reason, and a fictitious father named Thomas.

William Walker and Isabella Marshall had just one more child, Isabella, born in 1869. However William and Isabella jr are with their widowed father, grandmother and aunt in Liff, so it can't be him unless he adopted the surname Haggart for some other reason, and a fictitious father named Thomas.

Or of course he might have got his birth date wrong. Or his mother's given name.

[PawsAplenty77]

B. June 22 1868 - Dundee, Dundee City, Scotland, United Kingdom
D. June 21 1956 - Mount Pleasant, Isabella, Michigan, United States
Married Mary Jane Carman
Children: Robert Collingwood Haggart, Annie Isabella Haggart, Douglas Arnold Haggart, Kenneth Haggart, Ogal Anderson Haggart

He did live/move to Canada.

This is what I have.... not sure beyond that.  There seems to be a mixture as to whether the dad is Thomas or William, Sr.?  Confusion for sure!

[loobylooayr]

Pawsaplenty. Hi again.

I posted earlier that Wm Hagert (spelling on Familysearch) is on the 1891 Canadian Census and is listed as being Scottish , born 1867 and Nephew to the Head of Household. It could be helpful to find out who  William is living with. Finding out his aunt/uncle's name, age etc could help locate William's birth .

Looby

[Forfarian]

B. June 22 1868 - Dundee, Dundee City, Scotland, United Kingdom

Except that the 1901 census of Canada gives his DoB as 22 June 1867, not 1868.

[Forfarian]

I posted earlier that Wm Hagert (spelling on Familysearch) is on the 1891 Canadian Census and is listed as being Scottish , born 1867 and Nephew to the Head of Household. It could be helpful to find out who  William is living with. Finding out his aunt/uncle's name, age etc could help locate William's birth.

The head of household is David Lawrie, 82, born Scotland and the only other person listed is Allison Lawrie,wife, 65. So David Lawrie would have been born 1808/9 and Allison 1825/6. I have not found a marriage of David Lawrie to Allison, or any children, or a listing in the 1881 or 1871 census of Canada, or deaths in Ontario. Nor (not surprisingly) in the 1901 census of Canada. So not a lot to go on there either.

[PawsAplenty77]

Thank you for all of your help!  I'm working hard on all of this!