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Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« on: Monday 23 February 15 19:44 GMT (UK) »
I have the marriage cert. for Robert Jones and Jane Williams in Criccieth in 1859.
Robert Jones father is listed as John Pritchard, Robert's father may have died so could they use somebody else on the cert. as a stand in ?
Jane Williams father is listed as John Roberts, John Roberts did have a daughter called Jane but why would she be listed as Jane Williams, can't see an earlier marriage and she is listed as a spinster.
Any help would be appreciated

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Re: Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 February 15 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to the boards, prysowenr

Have you got them on the 1861 or 1871 census, for reference, please?

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Re: Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 February 15 22:19 GMT (UK) »
1861 at Tyn Lon Criccieth
1871 at No2 Square Criccieth

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Re: Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 February 15 23:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

With a surname like Jones in Wales - we need all the help you can give us  ;D

Can you always include birthyears and birthplaces of the people you are looking for so we can find them on earlier/later censuses

The 1861 entry shows Robert as 26 (1834/5) and he was b Rhiw Caernarvon  Jane was 23 (1837/8) b Criccieth

They also had a 9mth old daughter Catherine b Criccieth

RG9 Piece 4328 Folio 8 Page 10
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Re: Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 24 February 15 00:01 GMT (UK) »
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so could they use somebody else on the cert. as a stand in ?

Not really - this should be the position but it wasn't always the case back then:

If he was illegitimate - no father should be shown unless he knew who his real father was in which case his fathers surname should be other than Jones. 

If he was legitimate and his father died - then his real fathers name should be on the marriage cert and he should be shown as deceased

Many illegitimate children made up a fathers name when they married to appear "respectable" but in those cases, the father had the same surname as the bride/groom

They also used their stepfathers name if he was the only father they had ever known

 
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Re: Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 February 15 00:04 GMT (UK) »
The Welsh 1841 has a 6yr old Robert Jones living in Rhiw but parents are shown as Thomas & Margaret
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Re: Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 February 15 03:41 GMT (UK) »
There is this interesting entry in the IGI, Jane Roberts Jones Or Prichard, Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907,  christening:7 January 1827 RHIW,CAERNARVON,WALES father:Robert Prichard mother:
Mary Jones

Could they have just used the two surnames interchangably? Odd that there would be another child using Jones and Prichard from Rhiw
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Marriage of Robert Jones and Jane Williams Criccieth 1859
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 February 15 11:43 GMT (UK) »
Jane is only 23 on the 1861 entry so born 1837/38 and she was born Criccieth so I think the IGI entry could well be a sibling of Robert Jones and may possibly indicate he was illegitimate
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