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Offline JO F

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Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« on: Monday 09 March 15 09:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi
William John Young (age 21) married Gertrude Maud Bird (age 20) in 1901 in Hammersmith. His father was Francis Young on marriage cert. Have tracked (Gertrude) Maud Bird  back but cannot find William John or his father Francis on any census for 1901 or earlier. Can anyone help?
PS On 1911 census it says he was born in Hammersmith. Thanks!

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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 March 15 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Hello and welcome

Have you checked this one.
1901 Piece: 39/Folio: 114/Page: 70

John Young 20 yrs born St Pancras living in Hammersmith. He is a Laundry Carman and living with mother Elizabeth and siblings  - one is Mary 16 yrs.
A witness to the marriage was Mary Elizabeth Young.

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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 March 15 10:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for looking - think I saw that one but said mother was widowed. On the marriage certificate has his father down as Francis Young but doesn't say deceased. (Gertrude Maud Bird's father is noted as Henry Bird deceased.) I tried to track back to 1891 to find them again (thinking father Francis might be there) but couldn't find them. New to this so maybe it's me!

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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 March 15 10:28 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage: Stamford Brook, Hammersmith. 25 December 1904

Kate Young and Charles Arthur Marcham
She is 22 yrs. Father - Francis George Young, deceased Cabman.
A witness is Frank Young - so maybe another brother.


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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 March 15 10:40 GMT (UK) »
You're very quick! Maybe that's the answer - the info fits because his occ was carman on the first marriage cert and they have connections to laundry. Pity I can't find him alive on an earlier census to confirm his wife etc.

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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 March 15 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Following through from the census Heywood found I would say this is the correct family found a marriage for
Mary Elizabeth Young b 1884 age 21 father Frank Young ( car man ) deceased... to Frederick Alfred Doyle age 25 ....25/12/1905 St Mary Stamford Brook Hammersmith witness her brother Francis George Young

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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 March 15 13:07 GMT (UK) »
In 1891 in Hammersmith, Elizabeth is already a widow aged 36 born Swindon, Wiltshire with Kate 9 and Edward 4.  It's more than possible any other children could be in 'industrial schools' as she was a relatively new widow.  Ref. RG12 - 42 - 4 - 1.

1881 Census - 51 Exmouth Street, Clerkenwell - ref. RG11 - 350 - 77 - 4

F. J. Young     22          Tavern Manager          b. Rangoon (india) British subject
Eliz'th Young   24          Tavern Manageress      b. Swindon, Wiltshire
F.G.C. Young   son  2                                     b. New Brompton, Kent
J.W. Young     son   9mos                               b. Pimlico

Can only find one baptism for aforementioned Mary Elizabeth (possibly 'in care' in 1891)i.e. baptised 27/4/1884 Lambeth, dau. of Francis John Young, coachman and Elizabeth.

So, Francis would appear to be a Francis John Young (not Francis George Young) but I cannot see an obvious death entry for him - perhaps he deserted the family and not known whether alive/dead.   Went from being a Tavern Manager in 1881, to Coachman in 1884 and after a Carman.

1871 Census, Gillingham, Kent - ref. RG10 - 907 - 59 - 6

George Young    55    Miliary Pensioner          b. Oxfordshire
Catherine Young 40                                      b. Tipperary, Ireland
Francis Jno. Young  13                                  b. Rangoon, India
George Henry Young 8                                  b. Kent

1861 Census, St. Nicholas, Rochester, Kent - ref. RG9 - 476 - 13 - 20

George Young    45        Labourer                b. Chalgrove, Oxford
Catherine Young 30                                    b. Tipperary, Ireland
John F. Young 3                                         b. Rangoon, India

George Young was previously in the army - enlisted 24/11/1836 in the 52nd Regt. Light Infantry and served until discharged as unfit on 6/9/1853 (chronic rheumatism and variscose veins right leg).  Spent 12 years in West Indies, North America and East Indies.

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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 March 15 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Francis (the father) seems to pop up again in 1901 with a new wife-Sophia. ???

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Re: Trying to find William John Young prior to 1901
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 March 15 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Great finds  :)

JO F,
it would be worth checking 1911 now for others.
Indexes show Kate Marcham in Hammersmith https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWL4-BGG

Also Elizabeth Young https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWL4-BGT

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Heywood
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