William and Ann ASHBY

[damelia]

I am trying to find the death certificates of William and Ann Ashby, my 3rd great grandfather and grandmother who immigrated to Australia somewhere between 1823 and 1840.  William was baptised on 15 August, 1786 in Crowland, Lincolnshire.  Ann (nee Jordan) was baptised on 23 January, 1791 in Honington, Lincolnshire.  They were married 9 January, 1821 in Yaxley, Huntington, England.  They had two sons born in England, Samuel baptised 6 August, 1821 Crowland, Lincolnshire and died in 1878 Victoria, Australia.  William was baptised 21 March, 1823 Crowland, Lincolnshire.  He married Catherine Waters in Port Fairy, Victoria, Australia 27 July, 1856 and died 27 September, 1908 Collingwood, Victoria, Australia.  Two daughters were born to William and Ann in Australia with a gap of 17 between the second son and first daughter.  Mary Ann was born in 1840 Maitland, New South Wales, marrying Sampson Carrison 22 December, 1864 in Port Fairy/Belfast, Victoria. She died 17 October 1919 Northcote, Victoria.  On her death certificate it states she had been living in Victoria for 69 years which leads me to believe she moved to Victoria about the age of 11.  Elizabeth was born 1843, Sydney, Australia and died 4 December, 1925 in Victoria. 
I have been unable to find the death certificates of either William or Ann and am also trying to find out when they arrived in Australia.  Because of the age gap between William Jnr and Mary Ann, I'm wondering of William Snr came to Australia first and Ann followed much later with the children.  If this information is correct, then Ann would have been over 50 when she gave birth to her two daughters.  If anyone can assist me in tracing this information or point me in the right direction I would be most appreciative. 
Thank you.

[Dundee]

Hi damelia,

   Welcome to RootsChat 

Do you think that these two children might be yours as well?

Charles b1835
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCD-443

Alice b1837
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCF-W8V

A possible death for Charles in Victoria in 1908 with a bit of a mish mash for parents' names, but I will let someone with better access to indexes transcribe it for you.

NEERIM SOUTH. Monday - An old age pensioner named Charles Ashby, died suddenly early on Sunday morning from the effects of the great heat. Deceased was 74 years old and resided on the Tarago River with his brother aged 84. He has two sisters in Melbourne whose address is not known.   
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10677560/351267

To help with looking for deaths, William's parents were William and Elizabeth - do you know his mother's maiden surname?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG7M-QBV

Do you have details of Ann's parents?

This William ASHBY was in the right area at the right time:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/32156847

Did William have a particular trade or occupation?

Debra 

[Dundee]

This William ASHBY was in the right area at the right time:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/32156847

Debra 

Noting that this William ASHBY says he arrived on the David Scott.....

COMMITTALS - William Parkes, free by servitude, and Samuel Ashby, who arrived in the colony per the David Scott, in 1834, were committed yesterday to take their trial being concerned in the robbery of William Brophy, in his house on the Surry Hills the beginning of last week.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12880901

Debra 

[~MERLIN~]

A possible death for Charles in Victoria in 1908 with a bit of a mish mash for parents' names, but I will let someone with better access to indexes transcribe it for you.
NEERIM SOUTH. Monday - An old age pensioner named Charles Ashby, died suddenly early on Sunday morning from the effects of the great heat. Deceased was 74 years old and resided on the Tarago River with his brother aged 84. He has two sisters in Melbourne whose address is not known. 

Deaths - Charles & possible brother William:

Chas ASHBY 74yrs d. 1908 NEERIM #3284
Father: Saml ASHBY
Mother: Ann GURDEN

Wm ASHBY 85yrs d. 1908 COLLINGWOOD #9354
Father: Wm ASHBY
Mother: Anne JORDAN

[~MERLIN~]

Possible deaths for William & Ann ASHBY:

William ASHBY (birth place - HUNTINGDON) 57yrs d. 1854 #3439
Father: Samuel
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN

Ann ASHBY 87yrs d. 1887 FITZROY #6321
Parents: UNKNOWN

[~MERLIN~]

It appears that Elizabeth ASHBY had three illegitimate children:

Births:
Charles Edward ASHBY b. 1865 BELFAST #13514
Alice Mary ASHBY b. 1871 BELFAST #21552
Albert ASHBY b. 1880 MOE #3895
Father: - Unknown
Mother: Elizabeth ASHBY

[~MERLIN~]

Deaths:
Chas Edwd ASHBY 39yrs d. 1905 COLLINGWOOD #4963
Father: Unknown
Mother: Elizth ASHBY

Alice Mary BOURKE 84yrs d. 1956 NORTHCOTE #2686
Father: Unknown ASHBY
Mother: Elizabeth  UNKNOWN

Funeral notice for Charles:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9877795

[Dundee]

The David Scott was taken up by the Emigration Committee to convey female immigrants to NSW.  The 18 cabin passengers listed here are the same as recorded on the manifest:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2217402

The manifest also states - "347 steerage passengers including men women and children, sent out by the Emigration Committee of London, a return of whom will be made on Monday."

The only other record appears to be a list of 247 females who were eligible for government assistance and a disposal list of single females (included here is a Mr JOHNSON and family, eight in number).  That leaves around 100 steerage passengers not named.

Debra 

[damelia]

Thank you very much to everyone who has so kindly looked into my queries. 

The information regarding the "David Scott" is very helpful and at least gives me an idea of when the family may have come to Australia. 

I was aware of two of Elizabeth's illegitimate children but not a third.  Will look into the birth of Albert.  Thank you for the details of the possible deaths of William and Ann.  Will also look into those details also.  I have the death certificate for Charles, Elizabeth's son but not the Trove article, thank you.

It sounds like Samuel Ashby might have been a bad lad if he was involved in robbery.  He would have been in his mid 20's at the time.

William Ashby is stated as being a miller on the marriage certificate of his son William to Catherine Waters.  Charles b. 1835 and Alice b. 1837 may well be William and Ann's children.  It may explain the age gap between the children I have knowledge of.

I don't have the maiden name of William Ashby's mother Elizabeth.

Ann Jordan's parents were Paul Jordan b. 1758 in Honington, Lincoln, d. 1790.  Her mother's name was Ann Smith.  Paul and Ann were married 1778 in Brant Broughton, Lincoln.

Thank you once again for all the help given.  I have some very exciting leads to work with.

Regards,
Anne  (Yes, another Anne)