Author Topic: Marriages c1805  (Read 2261 times)

Offline Pricey4848

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 401
  • Novice family history researcher struggling by!!!!
    • View Profile
Marriages c1805
« on: Wednesday 18 March 15 19:37 GMT (UK) »
Can anybody explain the difference between;
Married by Banns
Married on/licence

Relates to 1805 marriage entry in parish records
PRICE - Hulme, Manchester / Pershore Worcest.   
ALMOND - Hulme, Manchester
STONE - Hulme, Manchester
FOY/FAY/FAHY - Galway / Hulme, Manchester
MACKINNON / McKinnon - Glasgow / Partick  / Whiteinch / Manchester
HERON - Eastwood/ Blairgowrie / The Gorbals
BUCHANAN -
PATERSON - Glasgow

Offline Guy Etchells

  • Deceased † Rest In Peace
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 4,632
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 18 March 15 19:58 GMT (UK) »
For a marriage by Banns the Banns (an announcement of the intending marriage) had to be read in the parish church or churches of the intended bride and groom on three Sundays before the marriage.

Marriage by licence removed the requirement of Banns being read.
In the period prior to 1823 (therefore covering the year 1803) the document had to be produced before a marriage by licence could take place.

The Allegation, the allegation was a document that certified that there was no legal impediment to a marriage taking place it also gave details of the church or churches in which the marriage could take place.

The Bond, the bond was a contract by the bridegroom and another person (often a fictitious person) to pay the bishop a sum of money if the marriage was found to be contrary to Canon Law (Bonds were only required until 1823).
For examples of Allegation & Bonds see
http://anguline.co.uk/cert/allbon.html

The third and final part was the licence itself was the authorisation that allowed the marriage to take place.
For examples of  Marriage Licences See
http://anguline.co.uk/cert/bmlb.jpg

Cheers
Guy
http://anguline.co.uk/Framland/index.htm   The site that gives you facts not promises!
http://burial-inscriptions.co.uk Tombstones & Monumental Inscriptions.

As we have gained from the past, we owe the future a debt, which we pay by sharing today.

Offline Pricey4848

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 401
  • Novice family history researcher struggling by!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 18 March 15 20:03 GMT (UK) »
For a marriage by Banns the Banns (an announcement of the intending marriage) had to be read in the parish church or churches of the intended bride and groom on three Sundays before the marriage.

Marriage by licence removed the requirement of Banns being read.
In the period prior to 1823 (therefore covering the year 1803) the document had to be produced before a marriage by licence could take place.

The Allegation, the allegation was a document that certified that there was no legal impediment to a marriage taking place it also gave details of the church or churches in which the marriage could take place.

The Bond, the bond was a contract by the bridegroom and another person (often a fictitious person) to pay the bishop a sum of money if the marriage was found to be contrary to Canon Law (Bonds were only required until 1823).
For examples of Allegation & Bonds see
http://anguline.co.uk/cert/allbon.html

The third and final part was the licence itself was the authorisation that allowed the marriage to take place.
For examples of  Marriage Licences See
http://anguline.co.uk/cert/bmlb.jpg

Cheers
Guy

Thanks
So  was it either a marriage by Banns or alternatively by Licemce ie one or the other?
If they were married by Banns in 1895 would a forms ceremony still have taken place with witnesses ?
PRICE - Hulme, Manchester / Pershore Worcest.   
ALMOND - Hulme, Manchester
STONE - Hulme, Manchester
FOY/FAY/FAHY - Galway / Hulme, Manchester
MACKINNON / McKinnon - Glasgow / Partick  / Whiteinch / Manchester
HERON - Eastwood/ Blairgowrie / The Gorbals
BUCHANAN -
PATERSON - Glasgow

Offline stanmapstone

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,798
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 18 March 15 21:39 GMT (UK) »
What do you mean by a "forms ceremony"? A Church of England marriage after banns  had to be solemnized in the Presence of two or more credible Witnesses, (the relevant Acts don't define what a 'credible' witness is). They can be anybody, but are usually the best man and one of the bridesmaids. The parents don't have to sign. The witnesses had to sign both marriage registers in the presence of the person who officiated at the marriage.
At least one of the marrying couple had to be resident in the parish in which they wished to be married (usually that of the bride); the banns of the other party were read in his/her parish of residence, and a certificate provided from the clergyman stating it was properly done. A clergyman must not solemnise a marriage in the parish where one resides, without a certificate showing that the banns had been published in the parish of the other person.
Stan
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Offline Guy Etchells

  • Deceased † Rest In Peace
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • ********
  • Posts: 4,632
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 March 15 08:54 GMT (UK) »

Thanks
So  was it either a marriage by Banns or alternatively by Licemce ie one or the other?
If they were married by Banns in 1895 would a forms ceremony still have taken place with witnesses ?


I am not sure what you mean.

Banns and Licences were simply the steps or formalities a couple had to go through before they could marry, they were not a form of marriage.

After the formalities were complete the couple still had to go to the Parish Church (Church of England) to get married for the marriage to be legal (Jews and Quakers (Society of Friends) were the exceptions to this rule).
http://anguline.co.uk/Framland/index.htm   The site that gives you facts not promises!
http://burial-inscriptions.co.uk Tombstones & Monumental Inscriptions.

As we have gained from the past, we owe the future a debt, which we pay by sharing today.

Offline Pricey4848

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 401
  • Novice family history researcher struggling by!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 March 15 09:06 GMT (UK) »

Thanks
So  was it either a marriage by Banns or alternatively by Licemce ie one or the other?
If they were married by Banns in 1895 would a forms ceremony still have taken place with witnesses ?


I am not sure what you mean.

Banns and Licences were simply the steps or formalities a couple had to go through before they could marry, they were not a form of marriage.

After the formalities were complete the couple still had to go to the Parish Church (Church of England) to get married for the marriage to be legal (Jews and Quakers (Society of Friends) were the exceptions to this rule).

I've seen entries in parish registers saying "by Banns" and others "by Licence"
PRICE - Hulme, Manchester / Pershore Worcest.   
ALMOND - Hulme, Manchester
STONE - Hulme, Manchester
FOY/FAY/FAHY - Galway / Hulme, Manchester
MACKINNON / McKinnon - Glasgow / Partick  / Whiteinch / Manchester
HERON - Eastwood/ Blairgowrie / The Gorbals
BUCHANAN -
PATERSON - Glasgow

Offline stanmapstone

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,798
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 March 15 09:21 GMT (UK) »

If they were married by Banns in 1895 would a forms ceremony still have taken place with witnesses ?

Do you mean a formal ceremony?

Stan
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Pricey4848

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 401
  • Novice family history researcher struggling by!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 March 15 09:29 GMT (UK) »

If they were married by Banns in 1895 would a forms ceremony still have taken place with witnesses ?

Do you mean a formal ceremony?

Stan

I did
PRICE - Hulme, Manchester / Pershore Worcest.   
ALMOND - Hulme, Manchester
STONE - Hulme, Manchester
FOY/FAY/FAHY - Galway / Hulme, Manchester
MACKINNON / McKinnon - Glasgow / Partick  / Whiteinch / Manchester
HERON - Eastwood/ Blairgowrie / The Gorbals
BUCHANAN -
PATERSON - Glasgow

Offline stanmapstone

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,798
    • View Profile
Re: Marriages c1805
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 March 15 09:37 GMT (UK) »
All marriages in a Church of England church, either by banns, licence, or certificate, had to follow the marriage ceremony as set out in the Book of Common Prayer. The form of the ceremony has changed over time. You can see the one used today at https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/pastoral/marriage/marriage.aspx

Stan
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk