spendlove I welcome all the questions , ive lost it completely this afternoon , right --no birth yet for George nor 1841 census ,thought I had him in wotton under edge but no real proof as of yet as there qwas a George Clarke but he died aged 8 in a fire ,so unsure there, 1851 I may have him in Manchester with aunt and uncle and granddad George Clarke -but again not really proved it yet --defo have him in army at 1853 using the name George ,married mary holloran in 1866 in galway ,came out of the army in 1867 ,first child George eli born 1868 in elizabeth st widnes then 1871 census hes in nelson st widnes 1872 in gerrard st widnes 1874 Cromwell st widnes then we go cold ,my granddad was born in 1877 in workhouse no name on BC and georges first son George eli died in workhouse in 1880, hid DC said father George clarkre deceased so I know he was alive in 1874 and dead in 1880, therefore as my granddad had no fathers name on BC I believe George died between 1874 and 1880, no records that match him except this john Clarke in derby street , --the reason I looked for john Clarke in DC is because when georges son married in 1895 he stated his fathers name was john joseph Clarke --therefore leading me to believe his real name was john but he used the name George throut his life , the tree on ancestry has been copied off mine ,its a relation of mine ,but they only copy mine they don't know any more than me