Looking for info on John Bennett

[Tomster]

Chempat/Sandra/Sami

Thanks everybody for all your efforts. Too bad about the Doris link. Did you all have the same experience with Herbert? I will contact the Toronto Public Library.

Tom

[sami]

I couldn't find a Herbert that looked right. Let us know what you hear from the Toronto Public Library.

sami

[sami]

Hi Tom:

This is a long shot

I have still been looking in the 1891 UK census - and I've been trying all sorts of name combinations. This is probably not right, but I found this family in 1891 and have not been able to find them in the 1901 Census. So I wonder if this Manley family are John / Jessie / Herbert in 1891:

1891 Census - RG12 / 3714 / 122 / 24

John Manley - H - M - 41 - born 1850 - Insurance Secretary - St Pancras, Middlesex
Jessie Manley - Wife - M - 24 - born 1867 - Sydenham, Surrey
Herbert Manley - Son - 2 - born 1889 - Leeds, Yorkshire.

Its just a thought, but there are some interesting coincidences between the names, dates, Herbert's place of birth, even John's occupation.

Couldn't find a marriage that I thought was right and also couldn't find a birth for Doris.

.....and of course, absolutely no idea why they would emigrate to Canada under the surname Bennett.

sami


....added.....and this may tie in with why Doris, on her marriage licence application, ...... indicates her dad's name is John Manly Bennett.

[chempat]

Good, sami.

I was starting to look at people with surname Richards and Richardson, but I thought Manly looked more like Manuel on that document so had not tried that as a surname.

Will now try and disprove what you have found - hope no-one can. 

Added:
It really does not look like Manley on the marriage information - uel or even uch but not ley

[chempat]

That John Manley was previously married to Lavinia, and she seems to be back in London, still married, without him but with children, in 1891 etc.


From her 1891 information, her 2 youngest children: Arthur was born in Leeds in about 1881/1882 but Ellen was born in Twickenham in 1887/1888  (AMENDED: That age is not clear on image)

Added:
This marriage?
September quarter  1869 
Lavinia Sophia Clare also Lavinia Sophia Gilliam-Clare  Pancras 1b  319
John Manley  Pancras  1b  319

So Jessie and John could not marry if his wife was still alive.

[chempat]

In July 19th 1885 4 Manley children are baptised in London.  All have John and Lavinia Sophia Gillham as parents, but his profession is not specified, and all children have the name Tudor amongst their christian names. (Births 1878, 1879, 1881 and 1884, Henry, Maud Emily, Arthur and Ellen Caroline.

The family is in some trees on ancestry, his death not shown.

[chempat]

3 of the Lavinia/John Manley children are with their uncle, Joseph Clare, in 1881:
Edith Manley age 9 born Canning Town,  John Manley age   8 born Kentish Town and Henry Manley   age 3 born Leeds

Just putting birth for Lavinia:
December quarter 1846 Lavinia Sophia Gillham Bedford 6 33

[sami]

Hi chempat

They do look like a possible group. I followed the Manley connection a bit and also started looking at possible matches for Jessie (Jeanette/Jennette) using the Richards/Richardson surname. It also made me wonder if Herbert and even Doris had been baptised under her maiden name rather than either Manley or Bennett.

If they are the right family it helps to clarify Jessie's birthdate at around 1867 which also holds up on the 1901 Canadian census.

Still, I would be interested in hearing what Tom or any of the other researchers think about this before following it too much further. One question now is the use of the name Bennett.

sami

[chempat]

Yes.

Would like some children's birth certificates, and some consistent birth dates.

So, possibly a Jeanette/Jessie from Sydenham.

Well, there is this one, but Richardson is not an unusual surname:

Births  September quarter 1866  Lewisham  1d 787
Jessie J Richardson

Added:
No, she died in 1867.