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jaybelnz Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Tuesday 07 April 15 12:25 BST (UK) »
Welcome to another Scavenger Hunt and this one is a cracker, hopefully you'll be able to knock down a wall jaybelnz has been punching away at for years.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Barbara


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An 1845 Marriage in St Peter's Church, Dublin, gives me my great great grandparents, but like each new find, this brings up new questions, and this one in particular brings me puzzles that I have never been able to solve, since 2002!

The marriage record shows the following people:

Groom    -   John Gibbons Mathews   -             Father Henry Maxwell Mathews, Gentleman.
                    Sergeant of Lancers                    Mother not named on cert, but later info shows
Usual place of residence                                  her to be Sarah Annie Mathews (still no MS)
- Nottingham.                                                 Henry's wife Sarah lived at 47 Aungier Street,
                                                                     Dublin, as did one of their daughters who later     
                                                                     also married in Dublin.Mrs Sarah Mathews died     
                                                                     and is buried in Dublin, was living at 47 Aungier     
                                                                     Street at the time of her death.
                                                                     Daughter's names Sarah Annie (b Newry,) and
                                                                     Phoebe           
                                                                     Also another son Richard.                         

                             *************************

Bride        -   Mary Jane Fleming                      Father David Fleming Officer Royal Irish Artillery
Usual place of residence, Triton Tce       
Tritonville Donnybrook.           
                                                                   
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Later finds have been:

Plenty of Census entries in England in later years state John Gibbons Mathews was born in Newry Ireland, so  calculation always comes up born c1818.
Newry straddles the Counties of both Armagh and Down, I don't know which county applies in this instance, but have tried with both. I have also searched for a mother for him with surname of Gibbons, or Maxwell.

Same with the census entries for his wife Mary Jane (Fleming) Mathews, who was born in Portarlington, County Laois? Ireland and I also used c1818 from census for calculation of age.

Later found from Medal Rolls that John's Regiment was the12th Royal Princes Lancers in Nottingham. I believe that the Military Records for this Regiment are held in Archives at Nottingham University, but haven't had a reply to my enquiry to them.

There is a ships record in The Victorian Gazette ((Aust) page 234, Friday Feb. 6th, 1874, that records a death for a John Gibbons Mathews - died at Sea, near Victoria in Australia, 5th March 1873 aged 55. This is a bit confusing and I'm not sure whether this was an outward or inward journey. I understand the deaths and/or Burials of British citizens at Sea, are recorded at English Archives, but not been able to locate a death or burial for him in British National Archives. It is thought that John's sister Sarah Mathews and her husband John Potter may have been living in Geelong, Victoria at this time.

In all my searches re John Gibbons Mathews, every search result I have found has been my John, using also the middle name Gibbons even on census entries , and his own family proven by other details on such records as his chn's births etc., multiple census' entries, etc.  the exception of a possible South African war medals Roll clue,where there is no middle given name. He is also on a medal Roll for the Crimean War. So that one could very likely be another just John Mathews, and there are zillions of them. Those I have followed up on with no middle name, haven't brought me any joy. So, I  am quite convinced that there has never been another John Gibbons Mathews in the whole wide world! 😄😂

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Mary Jane Mathews died 4th Qtr 1877 aged 59 at Ashton Under Lyne, Lancs.
She was buried 6 Dec. 1877 At Bardsley Lancs.

Indications are that Henry Maxwell Mathews Esq. was a landowner in County Meath.

Many of my other Rootscats postings re John Gibbons Mathews, Mary Jane Fleming and their fathers, may possibly give some more clues if I've missed anything in this instance.

David Fleming and Henry Maxwell Mathews are sitting cold and hungry right at the top of my tree, and getting lonely for their wives.  They've been sitting there for about 12 Years!

Can the Scavenger Hunters please try and reunite these two couples, and give their mothers back to John and Mary Jane? That would be a great achievement!
Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.<br />Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden<br />Lamb In Bolton and Ireland<br />Grundy In Bolton<br />Blackledge In Bolton<br />Osbaldeston  ?? ??<br />Barnett in Islington<br />Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton

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Re: jaybelnz Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 April 15 22:47 BST (UK) »
I found the death detail as on The Northumberland and was wondering if it could be an outward voyage

http://www.historic-shipping.co.uk/monwigram/nland%2071.html

25th February 1873. Sailed from London, Captain H.H.Shinner, for Melbourne

but my ship knowledge is not the best and I can't seem to find anything else ???
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 April 15 08:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that, really good!  Makes me think though, if the ship sailed from London on 25 February 1873, just 10 or so days out, he wouldn't have been anywhere near Victoria by the recorded date of his death 5 March, 1873, in the Victorian Gazette dated Friday Feb.6 1874. (Took them a long time to put that in, but just now clicking that was maybe an Annual Publication!)

That's good though, as it confirms that he died on the outward journey from England. So that's fantastic!  Not fantastic that he died out there though of course! 

I have been searching in London Archives, as I believe Deaths of British subjects dying and buried at sea were also recorded there, no joy with that though. But at least I have a Date of death for him, verification of that fact in the Gazette, and now it looks as though he was only 10 days or so out from England. And would have been buried at sea.

Maybe now with more knowledge of the ship departure date from London, and the Captain's name,  I may be able to find the passenger list etc, which may reveal more re how he died.

So, again, thank you, you have given me some very good and unexpected details of John's death.

Cheers
Jeanne😄
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MATHEWS, Ireland, England, USA & Canada, NZ
FLEMING,   Ireland
DUNNELL,  England
PAULSON,  England
DOUGLAS, Scotland, Ireland, NZ
WALKER,   Scotland
WATSON,  England, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
McAUGHTRIE, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
MASON,     Scotland, England, NZ
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 April 15 08:49 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast Friday was fruitful for me today with their new British Newspaper releases. From what I found, the following could be relevant in terms of new locations and dates.

1.  Petitions to be heard on Saturday 11th June.  Insolvent Debtors. Henry Maxwell Mathews, late of GALWAY - AGentleman. From Dublin Evening Packet and Correspondent 24 May 1831.

2.  Marriage Notice 3 May 1851 - John Potter eldest son of the late Reverend Robert Potter, incumbent of Louisburgh, to Sarah Annie, daughter of the late Henry Maxwell Mathews Esq, of NEWBRIDGE COUNTY, WESTMEATH. Interesting that John Gibbons Mathews, his son, always gives his birthplace in census as NEWRY, but who knows, maybe he got it wrong!

3. Birth at MOYALLY, KINGS COUNTY, The Lady of Henry Maxwell Mathews Esq. of a daughter. Tipperary Free Press, Clonmell Tipperary, 24 Dec, 1828.

4. Another couple of death notices re Henry Maxwell Mathews in English Papers both refer to him as from MOYALLY, MEATH.

5. Also yielded up Henry's exact death date, 1st May, 1838, aged 55 in Portland Street, Dublin. I had previously only had the year!

Thought I should add them - the different locations may bring something.

Thanks
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FLEMING,   Ireland
DUNNELL,  England
PAULSON,  England
DOUGLAS, Scotland, Ireland, NZ
WALKER,   Scotland
WATSON,  England, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
McAUGHTRIE, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
MASON,     Scotland, England, NZ
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 April 15 10:15 BST (UK) »
Great!  Thank You!  Been a good day for finding stuff!  Much appreciated.

Jeanne 😄
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MATHEWS, Ireland, England, USA & Canada, NZ
FLEMING,   Ireland
DUNNELL,  England
PAULSON,  England
DOUGLAS, Scotland, Ireland, NZ
WALKER,   Scotland
WATSON,  England, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
McAUGHTRIE, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
MASON,     Scotland, England, NZ
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 April 15 19:50 BST (UK) »
Did you also see the obit for Sarah in the Manchester papers?
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 April 15 20:52 BST (UK) »
It looks as though Derby Museum http://www.derbymuseums.org/the-soldiers-story/
has information on the 12th Lancers.
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 10 April 15 21:33 BST (UK) »
Not much to go on but thought you might want to pursue

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f4c/

Mr. O'LoghleN, on behalf of Henry Maxwell Mathews, the receiver in this cause, moved, that the attachment which issued against the said Mathews, the arrest, and subsequent proceedings, should be set aside, for irregularity, with costs.

and this was one for the address 1835 though

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f4d/

Mathews, John, 21, Aungier street
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives