Help finding person please...... Elizabeth Mary Griffiths - born in June in 1896

[Ladyhawk]

I have just received both marriage certificates -

John george m margaret griffiths - 1869 &
john george m mary morgans - 1868
 
Both john georges match, they're both from walton west,
a bachelor in one and
widower in later one,
both farmers. 

I'm making the strong assumption that this is the same man and that mary morgan died during or shortly after childbirth with margaret helena.

My next move i suppose is to get mary morgans birth cert & death cert.       

Both marriages certainly seem to be a good match for your John George father of Margaret Helena
born c1868

Who are named as witnesses to both marriages?
Perhaps they may be family members

If this is the correct death entry for her mother

Sep 1868 Haverfordwest 11a 436
Mary GEORGE died age 24 (1844)

and

burial 1 Oct 1868 Camrose Pembroke,

Hopefully on the d/c of Mary George the informant would be her husband John George

Osprey gave  Margaret Helena's baptism date as 28 Feb 1869 in Walton West, daughter of John George & Mary

Margaret Helena's birth reg Sep 1868 Haverfordwest

What date of birth is given for Margaret on her b/c?

[gemma6677]

thankyou for your reply Ladyhawk.
the witnesses are different on both marriage certs.
Margaret Helenas birth date is 25/9/1969 - so would fit in with what osprey found.
will order the d/c this evening - hopefully have it back tues.

[Ladyhawk]

the witnesses are different on both marriage certs.

Have you checked to see if they may be a relation to either John George or Mary Morgans ?

Margaret Helenas birth date is 25/9/1969 - so would fit in with what osprey found.

Did you mean to type Sep. 1868 as the birth year for Margaret as her baptism Feb 1869

The Haverfordwest birth reg. I posted  for Margaret Helena George was Sep qtr. 1868

will order the d/c this evening - hopefully have it back tues.

Fingers crossed that it will be the correct one 

[Mabel Bagshawe]

there's a possibility of siblings marrying siblings/relatives

Haverfordwest and Milford Haven Telegraph and General Weekly Reporter 13th June 1900

On the 7th inst., at Sandy Hill Baptist Chapel, by the pastor, Rev. T. Thomas, Thomas Griffiths Studda, Steynton, to Helena, only daughter of Mr John George, Lower Hasguard, Little Haven R.S.O.


The Pembroke County Guardian and Cardigan Reporter 19th April 1907

April 16th at Sandy Hill Chapel, by the Rev. T. B. Roberts, John James, youngest son of Mr. John George, Hasguard, to Martha Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. Thomas Griffiths, Studda.


Another of John George's children marries a Griffiths, but I think a different family

The Pembrokeshire Herald and General Advertiser  3rd July 1903
Thomas William, eldest son of Mr John George, Hasguard, to Martha Ann, second daughter of Mr D. Griffiths, Roman's Castle.


There's also a death announcement for Margaret George in 1919, but sadly can't see one for Mary in 1868, which would have been helpful!

John George himself seems to have been quite a high profile chap locally - many years the Liberal Party agent and a member of the Board of Guardians

 

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Helena took on quite a challenge


Haverfordwest and Milford Haven Telegraph and General Weekly Reporter  2nd August 1899

OBITUARY.  The death took place on Friday evening under very sad circumstances of Mrs Griffiths, of Studda Farm, Steynton. It appears that on the day referred to deceased was delivered of a son which was still-born, and shortly after giving birth to the child, despite everything that medical skill could do, she herself expired. Greatt sympathy is felt for Mr Griffiths and his large family of twelve children, most of whom are quite young, in their painfully sudden bereavement.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

So, looks like Margaret Helena's brother married her stepdaughter!

[gemma6677]

Thankyou all very much
Ladyhawk - i haven't looked into mary morgans' family, so not sure about her witnesses, but they did share her surname and yes - i did get her birth date wrong - was supposed to put 1868.

[gemma6677]

Everyone has helped me so much.  I am looking into your post Mabel - very interesting.  I did know about both marriages, but was unaware that martha jane was the daughter of thomas griffiths - will check my records now.
The obituary was so sad

[gemma6677]

I have also just checked and martha does match.  I'm not sure if i'm allowed, but have taken a screenshot showing the relation