Author Topic: Help finding person please...... Elizabeth Mary Griffiths - born in June in 1896  (Read 6740 times)

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I'm having great trouble trying to find my great grandmother.  Our family knew her as Elizabeth Mary Griffiths - born in June in 1896 in Pembrokeshire.  Her mother is M H Griffiths (Maiden name of George) and her father is unknown.  Her adopted father is Thomas William Griffiths.  She lived in Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire on the 1911 census (which is attached).  I'm completely stumped trying to find Elizabeth Mary Griffiths (born George) at all.  The only person i can find is a lady called Mary Elizabeth George with a mother of Margaret Helena George and unknown father born 8/6/1896.  This seems like too much of a coincidence for me.  Does anyone else agree that this is the same person?  Or can anyone else find birth records for an elizabeth mary george?


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Re: Help finding person please......
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 May 15 12:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Gemma and welcome to Rootschat
census has Elizabeth Mary George aged 14 Step Daughter
current marriage as 10 years
none of the others are step children to the Head - so obviously Elizabeth Mary is the only one not named Griffiths
for what it's worth - I think you do have the right lady
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2FQZ-Z5K
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Re: Help finding person please......
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 May 15 12:49 BST (UK) »
hi and welcome to rootschat,

on the 1911 census the marriage is shown as 10 years with one child being born.
the youngest child is therefore the child of TW and MH Griffiths.
Elizabeth George, stepdaughter may be illigitimate from your findings so far.

I have found 2 marriages on freebmd;
1900 june quarter   Thomas William Griffiths and Helena George
1903 june quarter   Thomas Griffiths and Elizabeth George. (both at Haverfordwest)

the 1900 marriage is the best match to the census. a marriage certificate would confirm the status of Margaret Helena at marriage.

however, I have a feeling, like you that this could be the same person.

cheers
taffie

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 May 15 12:50 BST (UK) »
was posting this at same time as garstonite, hence some duplication.


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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 May 15 13:07 BST (UK) »
1901 census Mullock Bridge Marloes
Elizabeth Devonold 39 widow West Walton
Martha 12 Roberton
Thomas 6 Hasguard
Mary George 4 foster daughter Walton West

So lodged out while Helena George working perhaps?
The Devonolds were the George's next door neighbours at Hasguard in 1891
John George 44 farmer and butcher Walton West
Margaret 55 Hasguard
Margaret H 22 Walton West
Thomas Wm 18
John J Hasguard
Mary George wid mother 84 Talbenny
Frederick George  grandson 9mths Hasguard
Ann Morgan 17 gen servant
Jane Stokes 12 servant

Thomas Devongold 22 gen lab Roberton West
Elizabeth 28
Martha L 2

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 May 15 13:47 BST (UK) »
Thankyou all so much.  This has been a huge task for me - and you have all confirmed what my findings have been.  This is my first attempt at tracing any family history and was quite daunted with lots of information.  I didn't list my findings on my post and am glad that others have come to the same conclusion as i have.  I shall post m h george's marriage certificate later, however here's her birth certificate


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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 May 15 14:24 BST (UK) »
pleased to help, it's good when thing click into place.

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 02 May 15 14:33 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 May 15 16:12 BST (UK) »
1901 census Mullock Bridge Marloes
Elizabeth Devonold 39 widow West Walton
Martha 12 Roberton
Thomas 6 Hasguard
Mary George 4 foster daughter Walton West

So lodged out while Helena George working perhaps?

The Devonolds were the George's next door neighbours at Hasguard in 1891
John George 44 farmer and butcher Walton West
Margaret 55 Hasguard
Margaret H 22 Walton West
Thomas Wm 18
John J Hasguard
Mary George wid mother 84 Talbenny
Frederick George  grandson 9mths Hasguard
Ann Morgan 17 gen servant
Jane Stokes 12 servant

Thomas Devongold 22 gen lab Roberton West
Elizabeth 28
Martha L 2


For info.

I think that Elizabeth’s maiden name was Vaughan marriage entry Dec  1888 Haverfordwest (FreeBMD) Thomas DEVONALD and Elizabeth VAUGHAN

MG pob Walton West is in the registration district of Haverford West

If the 1900 marriage Helena GEORGE to Thomas William GRIFFITHS is the correct one for your Margaret Helena GEORGE born 1869

1901 census Pembroke Steynton have following persons

Helena GRIFFITHS 32 (1869 Walwyns Castle)

Thomas GRIFFITHS 39 (1862) Walwyns Castle occ Farmer

Thomas GRIFFITHS 34 (1867) Steynton occ Gen Ordinary Arg. Lab.

John 13, Arthur 9, Mabel GRIFFITHS 5 all born Steynton

the above is only from transcript you would need to verify info. from the original 1901 census

1871 census details for a Thomas Griffiths born 1862 Walwyns Castle grandson William & Martha
living Steynton Pembroke
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5B8-KPH

1881c Thomas Griffiths 19 married grandson of Martha Griffiths
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQWG-CBZ

Marriage/death entry Haverfordwest 
Dec 1880 Thomas Griffiths to Emma Griffiths  death 1899 Emma Griffiths age 41 (1858)

1871  census details for a Thomas Griffiths born 1867 Steynton - he has siblings named
John, Arthur, Mary Ann & Elizabeth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BD-W3X

There is this death entry on FreeBMD
Sep 1925 Pembroke vol 11a page 1110
Margaret H GRIFFITHS age 56 (1869)

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