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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 03 May 15 11:14 BST (UK) »
Dundee and rosball,

Thank you for all the help, I am extremely grateful, especially's rosball's initial TROVE citation presenting a potted criminal history of William JONES, Farrell's proper name.   As I mentioned earlier to rosie17 the number of aliases is bewildering, but with the help of the PROV reference, which I was completely unaware of, I might eventually paint a very full picture of him, including a description of his youth and upbringing from the Parkhurst Prison Governor's Log that runs to about 300 words!!!

By the way I live in the UK (Hampshire) but spent a very happy 10 years in Melbourne at a time convict ancestors were decidedly frowned upon........the 6 o'clock swill was still in full swing then too 8)

The Biography of William JONES calls ;D

Once again my thanks for your help.

Tony


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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 04 May 19 23:00 BST (UK) »
George Percy Simmons born ~1827 married Ellen Wilkins about 1851 in Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
Her father had a Shoe shop where George had found employment.
They had 4 children that I have found, one of which was my great grandmother.
How difficult will it be to find more on his ancestors, since at present I have no idea of even who his parents were.
Any help appreciated, I live in Jamaica so access to many records not that easy unless they are online.

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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 05 May 19 01:03 BST (UK) »
Hi rjlanc,
 
  Welcome to rootschat  :)

   From the victorian BDM https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history   I see he died in 1873

Death 1873
George SIMMONS, no parents names, birth place London, age 47, spouse at death Ellen WILKINS, reg 10368/1873

Do you have the marriage certificate?  I see he married Ellen WILKINS in 1851 reg  23545/1851.
The marriage cert should give his parents' names and you can download it directly from the website.

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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 05 May 19 01:43 BST (UK) »
The marriage predates civil registration.
The details of the marriage are as given , but further detail...
Christ Church Geelong, Fiche 349

http://www.christchurchgeelong.com.au/Archives/Page546.htm#Archive access

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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 May 19 02:05 BST (UK) »
Sue,
will ask someone to contact them and see about Fiche 349.

I note however that 1851 is not included for Marriages in their listing of records:

The historic documents/ archive materials that are held in the Christ Church collection -

1. copy of Baptism Registers including baptisms for September 1843-July 1853 (2 volumes), and for September 1843- July 1909 (6 volumes).

2. Original Baptismal Registers for 1853-1860, 1860-1909, 1909-1993, 1993 to date.

3. copy of Marriage Registers for 1853-1859, 1853-1854, 1853-1912 (2 volumes).

4. Original Marriage Registers for 1853, 1854-1855, 1855-1857, 1857-58, 1858-1959, 1859-1863, 1865-1875, 1875-1897, 1898-1938 (4 volumes), 1939-1954 (3 volumes), 1955-1963 (2 volumes), 1963 to date (5 volumes).

5, Banns of Marriages Register 1960-1968.

6. copy of Burial Registers for 1846-1853, 1853-1877 (2 volumes).

7. Original Burial Registers 1853-1854, 1854-1863, 1863-1902, 1922-1965 (3 volumes), 1966-1994, and 1994 to date.

8. Original Registers of Services for 1859-1885, 1911-1925 (3 volumes), 1926-1929, 1930-1933, 1933-1941, 1941-1948, 1948-1958, 1955-1959, 1959-1961, 1961-1981, 1991-2000, 2000 to date.

9. Confirmation Registers 1995 to date. 

Thanks
Robert

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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 05 May 19 02:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Robert

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4778700

During the investigation of the robbery in Geelong, Your George SIMMONS, as a witness, admits to previously knowing one of the accused men, SUFFOLK.

Knew him at Cockatoo Island.

Now I am not sure if this is the right track here but, Cockatoo Island, NSW was a penal settlement at one time.

https://heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/research-projects/industrial-heritage-case-studies/cockatoo-island/
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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 05 May 19 02:14 BST (UK) »
It may be worthwhile inquiring at the Christ Church archives for baptisms for children of your couple.

I would have thought a baby might have been born a little earlier than 1857, which is the first registration to them on the civil index in Vic.  ;D

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Re: NSW: Gaol Description and Entrance Books 1818-1930
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 05 May 19 02:23 BST (UK) »
Sue,
I had seen this one..
http://barwonblogger.blogspot.com/2013/07/bail-up.html

Name of Maitland Exile from Parkhurst Prison (many via Millbank Prison)
SIMMONDS George (George Simmons): M 1213; Pk 363; Darlinghurst Gaol No. 531 (tr. to Cockatoo Island)
admitted Darlinghurst 24/04/1848 transferred Cockatoo Island 06/12/1848: date of birth 1827, Middlesex, arrived Port Phillip per "Maitland" 09/11/1846;

Background information on Parkhurst Prison for the year 1846
when 50 inmates were exiled to Port Phillip
https://books.google.com.jm/books?id=3QI5AQAAMAAJ

Robert




 



and yes their first son was born in 1853 at Newtown so maybe Baptised at Christ Church.

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