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Stonewalled by a lack of bricks.
« on: Monday 04 May 15 10:35 BST (UK) »
My grandfather spoke of his brother going to Australia and of having lent him the money to run/fund a sheep farm in Queensland. To my 9 year old self he only admitted "all I know is there was a man with 2 sons and one went back to the place they all came from".

The years passed and eventually I told my father that with or without his help I was going to research the family tree after having had years of bitter arguments and a stoic refusal to assist. Eventually he confessed his abject fear of his father having been illegitimate to which I replied well you'll find out soon enough then. My grandfather was not illegitimate though he had an older step brother Edward who was and who was raised by my great grandfather. 

Looking at the family I could see that my grandfather's brother George was missing from the scene and in the meantime after some six weeks of searching I was back to 1815. I spent around 3 months trying to fruitlessly discover when George had vanished and could not confirm whether it was pre or post WWI because the relevant census were not available in 1988 and it was difficult to differentiate between Georges in respect of working men obtaining the vote in 1911.

I had established contact with a much older female cousin and together we tried to piece together some details with my father still being very reluctant. He then candidly admitted to his mother having given birth to "another child" in 1916 and hinted that as his father had a reserved occupation he was able to return home from his service as a gunner in The Royal Garrison Artillery. Shortly after this bombshell landed my cousin discovered that our great grandfather had died in a Suffolk workhouse aged 86 in 1935. It was local to where my grandfather had been living in 1916 but almost 30 miles distant from his father's former Norfolk home.

My father grew up not knowing anything about his paternal grandfather assuming him to have died before he was born when in fact my father was 24. The key to this sorry saga was to lay hidden for another 25 years due to a variety of reasons. In 2011 I joined Ancestry but did not really have the time to do any research well not the kind I was used to but due to certain advances in indexing and laptop technology what previously took weeks can in some instances be done in hours. In 2014 I discovered that my grandfathers brother had married in Ireland in 1907 and died there in 1920.

So who on earth was this brother then? Why Edward of course! Well no actually he married a girl from 3 villages away and settled down there. Then I remembered an incident from circa 1968/69 an Australian namesake was enquiring in a cross county newspaper on behalf of his ailing father for details about his father's family. When I read out those details my father went ballistic and into a furious meltdown screaming "that was my mother's name".

Somewhere in the middle of this saga I had an idea which was fruitful if a little tedious as there were no shortcuts. I managed to take my paternal family line back to a marriage in 1768 but as I have no idea how old they were at marriage I can only surmise that its a tough nut to crack with both dying in 1784 and 1786 respectively with children born 1769-1781 *primeval scream*  :o

Still the penny did not drop until I found another way to examine the details. Suppose my great grandfather moved from Norfolk to Suffolk in 1914 in order to accompany his daughter in law while her husband and her father were away in France together with almost all of the male population. At this time in 1914 my great grandfather would have been almost 66 years old having been born in 1848. Suppose for one of several reasons there was some sexual contact in this instant we can assume perhaps it was a drink induced seduction or worse it might have been rape? I have checked historical newspapers which would most likely have reported the incident as just an assault and found nothing. To be fair it could just as easily have been for mutual pleasure without any concern for the consequences given the uncertainty of the times.

So how did my thinking come to this point? My grandmother had reverted to her maiden name in order to give birth to the baby who was given the family name at birth. This to me indicates that my grandfather was not the father but that another family member was. For my grandfather this must have been the ultimate betrayal and yet he stayed married to his wife until her death some 14 years later and they had 2 more children.

Moving the family back into another part of Norfolk my grandfather seemingly had little or no contact with his one remaining Norfolk brother. While my great grandfather presumably either continued working until the pensionable age of 70 or went into the workhouse? As for the baby well technically he was my grandfather's step brother and it is possible that my grandfather bore him no ill will.

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Re: Stonewalled by a lack of bricks.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 May 15 11:32 BST (UK) »
Hi welcome to Rootschat, what a fascinating story.

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My grandmother had reverted to her maiden name in order to give birth to the baby who was given the family name at birth

How do you know she reverted to her maiden name? By "given the family name at birth" do you mean the baby was registered with the mother's married name?  I understood that this would be the correct way to do it, whoever the father was, as that was the mother's name. Also, if a woman was married, it was assumed that her husband was the father, even if it was obvious he wasn't. Hence there are a lot of war babies who have the name of a man who was away fighting, or even dead, recorded as their father. 
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Re: Stonewalled by a lack of bricks.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 May 15 12:27 BST (UK) »
It is these tangled tales that make family history so interesting, how dull it would be if everybody married and had only legitimate children.

As for the baby well technically he was my grandfather's step brother and it is possible that my grandfather bore him no ill will.

The baby would be your grandfather's halfbrother not stepbrother, there  is no blood connection between step relations.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Stonewalled by a lack of bricks.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 May 15 13:01 BST (UK) »
Heck this is confusing I've rewritten this twice. Well at birth the baby was registered to the mother with her named as if she was single and showing no named father while the baby George was given her married surname. Likewise as I said my father did not know anything of his grandfather another George it was almost as if he had died except he did not for another 19 years after the birth.

Ok Halfbrother rather than stepbrother cheers for that info.
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Re: Stonewalled by a lack of bricks.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 May 15 13:12 BST (UK) »
Heck this is confusing I've rewritten this twice. Well at birth the baby was registered to the mother's with her named as if she was single and showing no named father while the baby was given her married surname. Likewise as I said my father did not know anything of his grandfather it was almost as if he had died except he did not for another 19 years after the birth.



So in the absence of knowing surnames etc - supposing the mother was Mary Smith married to John Brown - do you mean the baby was registered as Baby Smith mother's maiden name Smith and then he was reared as Baby Brown????

If so this happened quite often during the wars.
Sometimes we can assume too much (re the father being a family member)- was the child given a middle name???

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Re: Stonewalled by a lack of bricks.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 May 15 13:21 BST (UK) »
Ok Mrs Mary Brown registered the birth of a son under her previous unmarried name of Mary Smith but gave the child the name of John Brown (her father in law was John Brown). No named father exists. The baby was not brought up by the family and is assumed to have been given to the workhouse though some inter family connection obviously took place.
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 21:50 BST (UK) »
So the child would be John Brown Smith on birth cert???

does the birth reg read as
John Brown mother's maiden name Smith

John Brown Smith mother's maiden name Smith

or

John Smith mother's maiden name Smith

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Re: Stonewalled by a lack of bricks.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 22:16 BST (UK) »
I think your story is plausible BUT the coverup could come from the fact the baby conceived when the husband was away was any other mans (a non-relative, dna might be able to prove this) and this is why the woman reverted to her maiden name for the birth.

Perhaps her husband just forgave her. Maybe the grandfather did not like what had happened or the couple argued a lot so the grandfather moved out. Perhaps your father heard all this arguing and suspected something was up!

Did you grandmother and grandfather continue living together until one of their deaths, have you tracked them all in the census?

Do you have your grandfathers death date, did he die before his father?

It is possible that the gr.grandfather died in the workhouse simply because he moved away from his son and then they lost contact. Also some families just did not support their elderly, it was common (not enough money to go round).

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 22:27 BST (UK) »
[quote author=whiteout7 link=topic=719825.msg5637185#msg5637185 date=1430860608
It is possible that the gr.grandfather died in the workhouse simply because he moved away from his son and then they lost contact. Also some families just did not support their elderly, it was common (not enough money to go round).
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The Workhouses were often infirmarys too

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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