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Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« on: Monday 18 May 15 20:41 BST (UK) »
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I posted on here a while back as I am having trouble finding the death of William Henry Baker born 1882 in Bicester.  In the 1901 census he was in the Coldstream Guards but I cannot find anything else on him there.  He then married Charlotte Baker in 1905 and had a daughter Edith Millicent.  He was a Porter for the HMSO.  Then according to family he went into WW1 and was possibly in the Queens regiment West Surrey.  After the was he supposedly started to drink and threw himself in front of a train possibly at Vauxhall.  I have found him on the 1912  electoral role but nothing after that.  They lived at 2 Wilkie Buildings in the City of Westminster at the old prison.  He definitely died by 1927 as he is shown as deceased on my grandmothers wedding certificate.  I have tried several WH Bakers who died around about that time ie St Martins, Greenwich, St Pancras but they have all been refunded by the GRO.  I have also tried the coroners office but they said they need the DOB and area of death.  There is a newspaper article about the coroners inquest at the time as people were shouting at Williams wife Charlotte blaming her for his death.  I really am going round in circles and would appreciate any help in where I can go next.
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Re: Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 May 15 21:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Suzy100,

You say that you have a newspaper article regarding the coroners inquest. What date is the newspaper article/coroners inquest?

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Re: Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 May 15 21:59 BST (UK) »
There is this report from 19th April 1913

" The mutilated body of Mr. William Baker, station superintendent Cannon-street, the London terminus of the South-Eastern and Chatham Railway, was found near St. John's Station. Lewisham, yesterday morning. Apparently he had been run down by train while walking along the line."

Could that be him?
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Re: Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 May 15 22:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Jan,

Not sure about that one. According to Suzy100 he was born in 1882, therefore in 1913 he would be 31. On FreeBMD there is in the June qtr a death in Lewisham reg dist of a William H Baker aged 48.

Think we might need the date of the inquest report?

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Re: Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 09:28 BST (UK) »
Hi All
thanks for feed back.  I don't think he is the one in the report as he was a Porter for HMSO but again not sure if this was so at time of his death.
My grandmother said she could not really remember him but she was born in 1905 so if he died after the first world war that would have made her old enough I would have thought to remember him as she would have been a teenager.  I do have a man in uniform which I had sent to the Forces war and they verified it as a uniform worn in WW1 and that he was a private but again a dead end as there is no record of him. 

As regard to the inquest yes I agree that I definitely need that but how do i go about it without a DOB!

I do not have the newspaper article in person but my father remembers seeing it years ago.  He said that the crowd booed Charlotte Baker as they all blamed her for his death.  Again I have searched British newspaper archive but nothing there at mo.

It is a very common name.
 
I know my aunt has always said he died in his late 30s but alot of her information has proved to be inaccurate.  For example she stated my grandmother was born in 1914 just before the war and that is why she did not know her father but obviously that is totally inaccurate.

Would there be information if he served in the Boar war I have looked but again cannot find anything! 

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Sue
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Re: Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 09:58 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I think on your other thread that a death in St Martins was suggested and, indeed, you say that is one of the ones that was refunded.
Have the refunds happened because they do not match the information you have given? I am just wondering, if he was estranged from his family at the time of death, the certificate may not mention his family circumstances.
Was there a family grave? Is he mentioned on that?

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 10:05 BST (UK) »
Sorry, forgot to ask, why do you think he was possibly in the Queen's Regiment, West Surrey?
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Re: Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 10:40 BST (UK) »
Hi
Yes at first I put the information down saying I knew the Index numbers etc as I am a novice at this and did not realise that I could get them to search.  They actually rang me as the information was not exactly the same.  I have now actually sent all the years between 1914 and 1920 getting them to check either side!!  I am waiting for a reply so it may show up something I hope.

I had this information from the Forces war web site:

The uniform worn is that of the British Army, worn during the period 1902 - 1938, the cap badge worn is that of The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment).

The soldier shown holds the rank of Private. The Belt shown, looks to be the 1908 Mills Pattern Web Belt (3" in width). This belt was issued from 1908 until 1914.

No there was no family grave, i have tried to find where his wife was cremated but again hit a brick wall.  I thought maybe they would be in the same place. 

Sue

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Re: Still trying to find William Henry Bakers death
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 19 May 15 17:12 BST (UK) »
Hi

I the William H Baker who died in St Martins in 1917 is actually William Harrard Baker and not Henry unfortunately, that is why I go the refund with that one from GRO.  It seemed the most likely one too!
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