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Offline Rishile

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Would this have been a crime?
« on: Friday 22 May 15 19:51 BST (UK) »
I found this newspaper article about my Gtx3 Grandfather and wondered if this is really a crime?  I'm sure there were a lot about at that time - and most of them in my family  :)
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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 May 15 20:05 BST (UK) »
I would assume so as it was a Magistrate & would he refer to "prison" if it wasn't the case  ???

What year was this & Where  ???

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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 May 15 20:06 BST (UK) »
No different to today - it's a crime to fail to support your children unless illness/unemployment etc prevents it

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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 May 15 20:08 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I have recently been researching ledgers of Previous Convictions at Gloucester Goal for a fellow RootsChatterer and I can assure you that non-maintenance was a crime generally resulting in a fine or Hard Labour.
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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 May 15 20:08 BST (UK) »
What year was this & Where  ???

Annie

This was in Tormorham, Devon in 1848. 

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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 May 15 20:45 BST (UK) »
It was a crime under Section 3 of the Vagrancy Act 1824 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1824/83/pdfs/ukpga_18240083_en.pdf and the penalty was for hard labour for any time not exceeding one calendar month.
See http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/V/Vagrancy.aspx
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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 May 15 21:01 BST (UK) »
It was a crime even in Scotland. My own grandfather in 1915 was given 30 days for neglecting his family as he was away at sea and never sent them any money.

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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 May 15 21:51 BST (UK) »
A Vagrancy Definition: A criminal offence of being intentionally unemployed and thereby neglecting to maintain himself or his family.

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Re: Would this have been a crime?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 May 15 22:26 BST (UK) »
Must've changed a bit by now though Stan. I caught a burglar in my garage a couple of years ago. He was charged and convicted, not of burglary, housebreaking etc, but with Vagrancy. He got 10 months. I felt cheated  ???

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