Quick Question Marriage or not?

[BevStimpson]

stupid question, really... and I know the answer, just want to get my head in the right place 

I've found an entry in the 1841 census for St Mary Newington where my Great Great Grandparents where married (I have the certificate). On it appears to be my GtGt Granddad age 3 Richard Jackson with his mum Elizabeth age 20 yrs but with her maiden name Hall, and they are living with her parents and siblings - of course the 1841 details are scarce.

Would she have named her illegitimate son with his fathers name? They obviously later lived together as man and wife, but I cannot find any marriage for them!

Thanks
Bev

[Milliepede]

So who does Richard put as his father when he marries?

What relationships are given in 1851 when Richard is 13?

[groom]

How about this marriage?


Marriages Jun 1841
   
HALL    Elizabeth 
Newington    4   320    

on the same page
JACKSON    Richard       

[BevStimpson]

How about this marriage?


Marriages Jun 1841
   
HALL    Elizabeth 
Newington    4   320    

on the same page
JACKSON    Richard

would make sense, right area, right people... but their son is 3, and her hubby isn't living with them in 1841 -so they had a baby and married just after the census was taken perhaps!
Thank you

[groom]

Just found that marriage - is it her father, if not we can rule it out


Elizabeth Hall
Spouse:   Richard Jackson
4 May 1841
St Mary, Newington  Southwark
Father Name:   James Hall
Spouse Father:   Edward Jackson

Both full age
Richard was a tobacco pipe maker and his father the same occupation.
One of the witnesses was Eliza Hall
James Hall was a Leather Draper

[BevStimpson]

Just found that marriage - is it her father, if not we can rule it out

That's the ones thank you! The whole family right up to my Grandmother's older sister were in the tobacco pipe business, which should make it easier to follow!

What relationships are given in 1851 when Richard is 13?

I can't find them on the 1851 census, I've used Family search, FreeCen, FindMyPast, Ancestry, I can't think of any others to search!

[BevStimpson]

I think I have found them... only Richard isn't Richard - he's Matthew... does my logic hold up?

Richard   Jackson   Head   Married 32   Tobacco Pipe Maker   Aldgate, Middlesex
Elizabeth   Jackson   Wife   Married   31 Tobacco Pipe Trimmer   Bermondsey, Surrey
Matthew   Jackson   Son   - 12 Scholar   Newington, Surrey

His wedding certificate does say Richard Matthew Jackson

[jan57]

Class: HO107; Piece: 1566; Folio: 13; Page: 19; 1851 census

Richard Jackson  32   born Aldgate        Middlesex,   Tobacco pipe maker
 Elizabeth Jackson  31  born Bermondsey   Surrey Tobacco   pipe  trimmer 
 Matthew Jackson  12  born  Newington  Surrey

 address is  the  aptly named 2  PipeMakers Alley

[groom]

Possibly he was known as Matthew so he wasn't confused with his father.