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The (dis)appearance of Matthew (Mathew) Diamond
« on: Monday 01 June 15 15:19 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help please?
I'm struggling with Matthew (sometimes spelling is Mathew) Diamond

Birth about 1790 in Scotland (from censuses)

Marriage to Agnes Kirkpatrick  born 21 Oct 1792 in Scotland (from censuses and OPR) but I can't find the marriage anywhere!

in 1841 the family consisted of:
Matthew Diamond   45
Agnes Diamond   45
Matthew Diamond   20
Joseph Diamond   15
Jane Diamond   15
John Diamond   14
Elizabeth Diamond   10
William Diamond   8
Margaret Diamond   6
Agnes Diamond   4

All the children were apparently born in Dumfries.

From 1841 (or earlier) until his death in 1849 he lived in Carlisle
Burial 12 Apr 1849
Holy Trinity Church, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

any help would be greatly appreciated
BARLOW, BEARD, BRIDGWOOD. BROOMHEAD. BROTHERDALE, CLARKE, CRESSWELL. DIAMOND, DRAIN, GRAHAM, HALL, HEUCHAN, HOGDANE, HULL, JACKSON, KIRKPATRICK, LITTLE, McLELLAN, McTURK, MORRIS, NEEDS, OWEN, PARSONS, PRICE, PUGH, RATHBONE, ROBINSON, SCRUTON, SHAW, STAFFORD, TAYLOR, WATSON, WEIR, WILLIAMSON

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Re: The (dis)appearance of Matthew (Mathew) Diamond
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 June 15 15:43 BST (UK) »
Hi

Can you clarify exactly what kind of info you are looking for apart from the marriage.  He is on the 1841 and you have his death 8yrs later so he didn't disappear without trace as your header suggests.  Looks like Agnes pre-deceased him

Deaths March qtr 1844
Agness Diamond      Carlisle  25 37
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Re: The (dis)appearance of Matthew (Mathew) Diamond
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 June 15 15:53 BST (UK) »
From FS

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY76-8T5

This year does not fit but it is a baptismal year - not a birthyear

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT1R-XLB

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: The (dis)appearance of Matthew (Mathew) Diamond
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 June 15 15:56 BST (UK) »
William age 8 on 1841 Census, his baptism:

William Laidlaw Diamond
Baptism:06 Jul 1832
DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND

Father:Mathew Diamond
Mother: Agnes Kirkpatrick
Residence    Dumfries, Scotland

His sister Agnes baptised in Carlisle:

Baptism: 22 Jan 1837
Residence :Carlisle, Cumberland

Parents: Mathew and Agnes Diamond


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Re: The (dis)appearance of Matthew (Mathew) Diamond
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 June 15 16:02 BST (UK) »
There's a Jean Diamond baptised in 1822:

Baptism:16 Jul 1822
DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND

Father:Mathew Diamond
Mother: Agnes Kirkpatrick


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Re: The (dis)appearance of Matthew (Mathew) Diamond
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 June 15 17:08 BST (UK) »
Hi

Can you clarify exactly what kind of info you are looking for apart from the marriage.  He is on the 1841 and you have his death 8yrs later so he didn't disappear without trace as your header suggests.  Looks like Agnes pre-deceased him

Deaths March qtr 1844
Agness Diamond      Carlisle  25 37

Hi Carole, I was referring to the non-appearance - no birth/baptism for him and no marriage.
Matthew died in 1849 a long time before Agnes who died in 1890 in Carlisle, her two unmarried daughters and widowed son living with her at the time.
She also called herself Ann and on the 1861 census her name is written badly (Daimond) but mis-transcribed as Dimond (though if you look at the image the "a" is visible after the "D". Her unmarried daughters living with her, 1871 sees the widowed son at home as in 1881, and still the same two unmarried daughters. this time her name is clearly Ann Diamond a name she used on the death certificate of her baby granddaughter (the child of her married daughter who died after complications in childbirth).

William age 8 on 1841 Census, his baptism:

William Laidlaw Diamond
Baptism:06 Jul 1832
DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND

Father:Mathew Diamond
Mother: Agnes Kirkpatrick
Residence    Dumfries, Scotland

His sister Agnes baptised in Carlisle:

Baptism: 22 Jan 1837
Residence :Carlisle, Cumberland

Parents: Mathew and Agnes Diamond
There's a Jean Diamond baptised in 1822:

Baptism:16 Jul 1822
DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND

Father:Mathew Diamond
Mother: Agnes Kirkpatrick



I do have the birth/baptisms of all (I assume) 9 of her children including Mary Ann (who married James McTurk) my Gt Gt Gt Grandparents - Mary Ann is the daughter who died age 38 after childbirth. William died in 1919, his sister Elizabeth died in 1912.

It's Matthew (1790 ish - going from the census in Scotland) and his parents I can't locate for birth/baptism or his marriage to Agnes Kirkpatrick
BARLOW, BEARD, BRIDGWOOD. BROOMHEAD. BROTHERDALE, CLARKE, CRESSWELL. DIAMOND, DRAIN, GRAHAM, HALL, HEUCHAN, HOGDANE, HULL, JACKSON, KIRKPATRICK, LITTLE, McLELLAN, McTURK, MORRIS, NEEDS, OWEN, PARSONS, PRICE, PUGH, RATHBONE, ROBINSON, SCRUTON, SHAW, STAFFORD, TAYLOR, WATSON, WEIR, WILLIAMSON

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Re: The (dis)appearance of Matthew (Mathew) Diamond
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 June 15 17:10 BST (UK) »
From FS

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY76-8T5

This year does not fit but it is a baptismal year - not a birthyear

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT1R-XLB

Unfortunately this is another Agnes Kirkpatrick, mine is the child of Alexander and Mary (Graham) Kirkpatrick

and the Matthew is the child of Matthew and Agnes.
BARLOW, BEARD, BRIDGWOOD. BROOMHEAD. BROTHERDALE, CLARKE, CRESSWELL. DIAMOND, DRAIN, GRAHAM, HALL, HEUCHAN, HOGDANE, HULL, JACKSON, KIRKPATRICK, LITTLE, McLELLAN, McTURK, MORRIS, NEEDS, OWEN, PARSONS, PRICE, PUGH, RATHBONE, ROBINSON, SCRUTON, SHAW, STAFFORD, TAYLOR, WATSON, WEIR, WILLIAMSON