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Alders Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« on: Wednesday 03 June 15 05:10 BST (UK) »
Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt, really hoping you can solve this puzzle for Alders.

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Barbara

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 fingers crossed all of you lovely talented people can help! My head can't take any more!
So here is my story!
My 3x great grandfather was called Edward Byrne he was born in Liverpool UK 6/2/1823
he joined the merchant navy as an apprentice in 1839. He was never back in the UK for a census.
He attained the rank of Captain & i have copies of his Master & Mates Certificate & his register of seamans certificate which gave his DOB (NA ref BT113)
He was Captain of the Lightning ship clipper, Mason, Foam, Zingari to name a few.
According to newspaper articles he went to China in 1865 & in 1868 he made his way from Shanghai to Kobe (Hyogo) in Japan. He made his home here & became an influential member of the foreign settlement, serving on the Kobe Municipal Council, President of the Kobe regatta & athletic club. He was also Chairman of Hyogo Gas Co & Hyogo Ice Co.
He died in Kobe 20/11/1889
He had 1 son called Aden Byrne born in Kobe 1878, the only record of his birth or even of his mother is on Aden's naturalization certificate to the UK in 1907,  It names his mother as Tonyama Tetsu. By 1891 Aden was back in the UK living with Catherine Brunner (wid of Adolphe Brunnner) & there son George Kenelm Brunner. I have found no connection between the Brunner's & the Byrne's.   
There is no doubt that Edward was very wealthy upon his death enough that it would appear that he paid Catherine Brunner to take in & raise Aden, he stayed with the family until he was in his 20's after that he married yet Aden never worked living off independent means ( & he lived well!)

On one of Edwards Master & Mates certificate he lists his address as he lists his address as 18 Islington in Liverpool, on the 1851 census there is a James & Elizabeth Byrnes lodging there, Could be coincidence? i think i tracked these people to the 1841 census because the parents names & age match with the 1851 census
they lived at 175 Bostock St, Liverpool
all of them were born in Ireland.
James Byrne   45 Merchant  b 1796
Elizabeth Byrne   40  b 1801
George Byrne   20  b 1821
David Byrne   20  b 1821
Margret Byrne   18  b 1823
James Byrne   15  b 1826
John Byrne     15  b 1826
Aiden Byrne   13  b 1828
Is it also a coincidence that Edward had a son called Aden??
Of note i have not been able to trace this family anywhere other than the 1841 census. My personal opinion is that if Edward was related to this family he was more than likely born in Ireland too but lied about his birthplace it would of afforded him better prospects to do so.
So my questions are
Where is Edward's will? He had to have had something!
How did he come into contact with the Brunner's ( newspaper ad, i can't find anything?)
Who is Tonyama Tetsu & what happened to her?
Are the 1841 Byrne's related?
I have been very lucky & have had the help of a chap in Japan helping me, but the japanese are very strict about privacy regarding family history so we have been greatly hampered.
 a bio of Edward can be found here :-
http://www.meiji-portraits.de/meiji_portraits_b.html#20090527093402531_1_2_3_104_1

Past roots posts
 Finding the Byrnes http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=716989.msg5607179#msg5607179
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=719820.msg5637839#msg5637839
Edward Byrne posts
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=710864.msg5579164#msg5579164
Will location
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=712900.msg5564814#msg5564814

Thank you all so much, i hope i have not bored you!
Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.<br />Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden<br />Lamb In Bolton and Ireland<br />Grundy In Bolton<br />Blackledge In Bolton<br />Osbaldeston  ?? ??<br />Barnett in Islington<br />Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton

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Re: Alders Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 June 15 09:30 BST (UK) »
Not sure that we've had this 1841 possibility before:

Gosling Place, Liverpool;

Edward Byrne   45 Labourer
Margret Byrne   45
Margret Byrne   20
William Byrne   20 Labourer
Edward Byrne   20 Sailor
Frances Byrne   10
Margret Bowens   4

All the Byrnes are shown as born in Ireland
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 03 June 15 19:38 BST (UK) »
Catherine E Brunner (was nee Tatham)

Baptism index only (transcribed) on ancestry
1851 age 7mo in Huddersfield with family - father a surgeon (corrected fathers name  from Ruth to Robert) and mother Sophia
1861 in Huddersfield with family - father a surgeon
1871 in St.Pancras London - visitor in household whose head was a newspaper writer
1877 marriage you have to Adolphe in Hackney - He was assistant master at a school in Nottingham. Naturalised in 1876 was Austrian (Ancestry). He died 1882 on Isle of Wight (probate calendar on Ancestry)
1881 no trace of family
1891 Isle of Wight you have
1901  Cheshire you have
Died 23 Sep 1902 from probate calendar on ancestry

None of her data links to Byrne
Commons -  Whitwick/USA/Galway
Concannon - Whitwick
Costello - Ireland
Wardle - Whitwick/Packington
Clarke - Whitwick
Lockwood - Barrow upon Soar
Bull - Whitwick/little Staughton
Moult - Coelorton
Glover - Wymeswold
Vellacott - Exmoor
Thorne - Exmoor

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 June 15 19:53 BST (UK) »
Adolphe and Catherine were in Nottingham in 1881 transcribed as Brummer.
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 June 15 22:15 BST (UK) »
Slightly interesting George Kenelm Brunner is listed as a Inland Revenue Clerk, Estate Duty Office in 1904

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27653/page/1450/data.pdf

Interesting as in, if his mother ran a family estate for Aden Byrne's benefit, perhaps it influenced her sons career?

I think more needs to be discovered of Adolphe Brunners work on the Isle of Wight, what did he do to earn a living?

Speculation I know ;)



Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 June 15 08:02 BST (UK) »
Slightly interesting George Kenelm Brunner is listed as a Inland Revenue Clerk, Estate Duty Office in 1904

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27653/page/1450/data.pdf

Interesting as in, if his mother ran a family estate for Aden Byrne's benefit, perhaps it influenced her sons career?

I think more needs to be discovered of Adolphe Brunners work on the Isle of Wight, what did he do to earn a living?

Speculation I know ;)
I think looking at his will (it lists him as gentleman) that he knew he was ill so didn't actually work whilst there, i suspect that he went there to convalesce or see his days out. Also he left a relatively minor amount. if that makes sense?
Byrne, Butterfield, Gilbert, Sutcliffe, Furey, Alderson, Warham, to name a few!

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 June 15 10:04 BST (UK) »
Catherine E Brunner (was nee Tatham)

Baptism index only (transcribed) on ancestry
1851 age 7mo in Huddersfield with family - father a surgeon (corrected fathers name  from Ruth to Robert) and mother Sophia
1861 in Huddersfield with family - father a surgeon
1871 in St.Pancras London - visitor in household whose head was a newspaper writer
1877 marriage you have to Adolphe in Hackney - He was assistant master at a school in Nottingham. Naturalised in 1876 was Austrian (Ancestry). He died 1882 on Isle of Wight (probate calendar on Ancestry)
1881 no trace of family
1891 Isle of Wight you have
1901  Cheshire you have
Died 23 Sep 1902 from probate calendar on ancestry

None of her data links to Byrne
I traced ish Adolphes family as after googling him i came across this
http://www.ashbracken.com/BrHouse-HTML/BrH1816-B.html#BrunnerJ

 I think that James & Isabel Brunner from the notes were not his parents rather than his brother & sister in law. They were born in 1867 & 1865, Adolphe was born in 1852 making them parents at 12 & 15.
Adolphe's  Naturalization certificate, his marriage certificate, & the 1881 census give different information
 You will see that James Brunner Snr b1821 is listed as being from Austria & is a retired congregational minister (1881 census) ( this ties in with Adolphe's fathers profession on his wedding certificate) on the same census is James Brunner Jnr 1865  who i believe is the James Brunner married to Isabel. Hope this makes sense?
Not sure if it's a connection or coincidence but James Brunner Snr married i think Ann Tatham (daughter of Daniel Strickland Tatham) & one of Robert Tatham & Sophia Hornblowers children was called Lewis Strickland Tatham!   I know this is unconnected to the Byrne's i got a little side tracked searching down avenues that may help!  ::)


Byrne, Butterfield, Gilbert, Sutcliffe, Furey, Alderson, Warham, to name a few!

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 June 15 10:06 BST (UK) »
Slightly interesting George Kenelm Brunner is listed as a Inland Revenue Clerk, Estate Duty Office in 1904

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27653/page/1450/data.pdf

Interesting as in, if his mother ran a family estate for Aden Byrne's benefit, perhaps it influenced her sons career?

I think more needs to be discovered of Adolphe Brunners work on the Isle of Wight, what did he do to earn a living?

Speculation I know ;)
That's a really interesting theory, makes so much sense!
Byrne, Butterfield, Gilbert, Sutcliffe, Furey, Alderson, Warham, to name a few!

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 June 15 10:23 BST (UK) »
Adolphe Brunner was senior Classics master at Nottingham High School and had been on the staff there for 10 years by the time of his death. (Obits, Nottingham Evening Post 12 January 1882 and Nottinghamshire Guardian 13 January 1882)
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