1841 census "where born" abbreviation

[Brian Francis]

My ancestors have IM listed for "where born" in the 1841 census. The transcription lists Ireland, which matches oral family history, but I believe my family originated from Isle of Man.

According to information I've read about the 1841 census, the following abbreviations were used for "Where born": Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts (F).

Can anyone confirm the meaning of IM in this context?

[Flattybasher9]

**The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts (F).
From :- http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8978

Regards

Malky

[Frances_mnb]

look at www.manxnotebook.com/famhist/genealogy/census.htm - the where born question only allowed same county as residence or England, Scot, Ireland or Foreign parts - the county was replaced by Island for Manx census thus IM (or IoM) tho in general this field is left blank on the schedule unless born off Island (+ even then the field is not 100% reliable as the person supplying the info might not know where the person was born) - best check is the 1851 census which asked re Parish if born on IoM

you can check bapts on www.imuseum.im

ETA if you can tell us the name + place maybe someone can help

[Ruskie]

Welcome to rootschat Brian. If any of them are still alive for the 1851, that might clarify.

[Brian Francis]

The census in question is "Lancashire, Liverpool, Howard Street, District 23". There are 22 double-sided pages. IM is listed in just a few other places. Also listed are I, S and F. I've (hopefully) attached an image.

[Frances_mnb]

family is prob Joseph Kinley + 2nd wife Jane Gelling m Braddan 18340928
the son Hugh is from 1st marr to Margaret Douglas m Bra 18250615 she probably being buried age 35 Bra 18340522 (tho possibly there is an 1833 burial age 40 at Douglas St Georges that would match) - Hugh bapt Douglas St Matthews 18260327

it might well be worth buying a subscription to newspapers on www.imuseum.im to see if any note of BMD

[Brian Francis]

Thank you Frances for this information and for the hint about imuseum. I will do as you suggest and purchase a 1 day subscription.

Brian.

[Frances_mnb]

there is something strange however - Joseph is an unusual name esp in Kinley family (tho sometimes given as 2nd name eg John Joseph and the Manx custom is generally to use 2nd given name) however I can't find any matching bapt in my records (maybe more joy on imuseum) and also in fam of Joseph + Margt there is an extracted entry for a bapt of Thomas in 1831 at Douglas St Mathews (this was chapel of ease to Braddan in centre of old Douglas - see my website  - I have a note I couldn't find bapt this when checking my database against register (it may well be a late reception in congregation referencing an earlier private bapt on this date) - neither can I find bapt for Margt Douglas! - I have no children by Jane Gelling (suspect she may be older than 40) but also where are the 3 younger children by Margt - can't see any burials on Island  - have you found family in 1851 when ages were not rounded and often more accurate

[trish1120]

Marriage:
25 Aug 1850 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Hugh KINLEY - Full Age, Baker, Bachelor, Paul St
Elizabeth ARCHDALE - Minor, Spinster, Paul St
Groom's Father: Joseph Kinley, Baker
Bride's Father: Thomas Archdale, Hatter
Witnesses: Thomas Gordon Archdale; Ann Lloyd
(Source LancsOPC)

CHRISTENINGS;
St Matheus Chapel, Braddan
Parents; Joseph KINLEY/Margaret DOUGLAS
HUGH, 27 March 1826
JOHN, 7 Oct 1832, birth 28 May 1828
THOMAS, 7 Oct 1832, birth 24 June 1831
JOSEPH, 24 December 1833
(Source Familysearch.Org)


Trish