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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 June 15 22:09 BST (UK) »
MK, I am going to stop now. Think we need to retrench as I do not think details are right overall and some errors have crept in maybe over time?

From what you have mentioned, Margaret's father Hamilton (from her 1886 marriage). His father Hugh (not sure on the source here). Wives' names for Hamilton (first and second), what is the source?

Aghadowey posted some info on Edgars some time ago on another post here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=511713.0  I saw this, from the link posted by Aghadowey here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/E/Edgar.htm , that might be of interest:

Hamilton EDGAR/ AGAR. Drumballyroney & Drumgath - a weaver of Lisnisk; son of Hugh Agar (a weaver) ; married Ann Jane Rowan 23 Oct 1857 at Drumballyroney Church of Ireland, witnesses were Thomas McNeilly & James Rowan ; father of Hugh b. 8 Jun 1868 (regd. Rathfriland)

You mentioned earlier that you thought Hamilton's first wife (and likely your Margaret's mother) was an Ann Jane GEDDIS. As you can see from the above link, that Hamilton married an Ann Jane ROWAN. Dates and place would fit better with your Margaret's birth year etc.

Work in progress though for sure  ::) ;)

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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 June 15 22:57 BST (UK) »
...I know I said last one for now...but just one more  ;D

There is an online tree on a subscription to a/try here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/75182331/person/32312731791

They have Hamilton, son of Hugh and a Margaret Craig, married to Ann Rowan having daughters Margaret 1862 and Minnie 1872 (Minnie left for Canada in later years according to this tree).

Again, as mentioned, work in progress...

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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #11 on: Friday 12 June 15 14:07 BST (UK) »
Monica I also seen the tree and some things don't match up as you said with the 1891 census just out of curiosity ..I searched for the marriage for Hamilton Edgar he was married 20/7/1895 District of St Clements Dundee
Hamilton Edgar age 56 widower general labourer father Hugh Edgar Linen weaver mother Margaret Craig  both deceased ..Married at 36,Hilltown Dundee minister William J Cox ....Spouse Joan Donaldson age 45 widow address 8,Morrison Court Dundee occupation confectioner ..Her father James Campbell engine fitter deceased mother Janet Cathels married to Walter Ley or Key ? shipwright ..Witnesses Archibald McAllister Mary Ann Boyd
The online tree has Hugh and Margaret in Ayrshire ? also Margaret dead in 1880 Pennsylvania  ???


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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #12 on: Friday 12 June 15 14:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie

Some of the tree info is speculative (aka wrong  ::)) I think.

Interesting what you found from the marriage cert though for Hamilton and his second wife. From the tree linked above - a/try here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/75182331/person/32312731791 - Minnie, potentially Margaret's sister is showing as having married an Alexander Campbell Donaldson. His mother on the tree showing as Johanna Inches Campbell, previously married to an Alexander Donaldson.

Wondering whether this Johanna is the Joan that married Hamilton in the cert you have? Her son Alexander marrying Minnie Edgar?

This is the 1901 census entry given on the tree for Minnie and Alexander:

Alexander Donaldson 29 Barman Public House b. Dundee
Minnie Donaldson 29 b. Ireland
Robina Donaldson 8 Months b. Dundee

Address: 227 Hawkhill, Liff and Benvie, Angus

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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #13 on: Friday 12 June 15 14:30 BST (UK) »
Minnie married Alexander Donaldson last day of the year in 1894. His parents as we have mentioned (Alexander, deceased, and mother Joan Campbell).

Minnie Edgar, aged 22, father Hamilton and mother Ann Jane Geddes (deceased). Her address at the time of the marriage is what you found for Hamilton's marriage, 36 Hilltown.

Confused still...have to go out for a little while so will catch up later  :)

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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #14 on: Friday 12 June 15 14:37 BST (UK) »
Agree about the tree all a bit confusing the only Hugh Edgar I can see is in Ayrshire and a different occupation from the one on the marriage certificate ..Pick this Hugh up in Pennsylvania in the 1881 census occupation miner
You are probably right about Minnie marrying a Donaldson might be worth while checking the family in Canada ?  ???
Got to go out myself will check later

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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #15 on: Friday 12 June 15 18:16 BST (UK) »
Monica right with the Joan Campbell connection her son marrying Minnie Edgar ..1891 census for Joan Campbell same address as on her marriage ..Can't find her under the Edgar name but a Joan Donaldson b 1850 Dundee address 39 Wellgate occupation factory worker ?
Joan Inches Campbell b 20/5/1850 Dundee father James Campbell mother Janet Cathels

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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #16 on: Friday 12 June 15 18:25 BST (UK) »
1 match for a Hamilton Edgar died Dundee 1899 so maybe that is Joan on the 1901 census  ???

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Re: Edgar family
« Reply #17 on: Friday 12 June 15 23:21 BST (UK) »
Looks like you have found Hamilton's death in 1899, Rosie. Well done  ;) Answers some of the questions we have.

That 1891 census we had earlier, which was a puzzle:


Hamilton Edgar 51 Warehouseman b Ireland
Annie Edgar 38 wife b. Ireland
Maggie Edgar 15 daughter Sack Machinist b. Ireland
Mary Kelly 49 visitor b. Ireland

Address: 4 St Roques Lane, Dundee


Two things that confused were the age of Ann, wife, and the fact that there was a Maggie showing as daughter.

Some info to review really at this point. The joy of Scottish certs  ::). From Rosie's find, this is Hamilton's death details, listing his three wives. The first two being Ann Janes, Rowan (takes us back to that marriage in Ireland mentioned already in the late 1850s) and Malley, then Joan Campbell/Donaldson. The second Ann Jane Malley (think that is the surname), was actually an Ann Jane Leggatt (from her death reg) so this second wife Annie also on a second marriage when she married Hamilton. Wondering if this explains the 'daughter' Maggie Edgar aged 15 in 1891? Could she be the daughter of Ann Leggatt from her first marriage? The only marriage showing for Hamilton Edgar in Scotland is the one Rosie found in 1895 in Dundee. Looks like the first two, to the Ann Janes, took place in Ireland.

Monica  :)



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