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Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« on: Tuesday 16 June 15 14:20 BST (UK) »
Hi all
I have found the marriage of a William Heatlie married to a Nancy (Agnes) Beattie on 15 May 1825 in Cavers Roxburgh on the Ancestry.co website but I cant find it for toffee on Scotlands people. I have attached the ancestry image below, im not asking for a scotlands people lookup as I know its pay per view but I have tried everything in all directions to find the record. Surely it must be on the SP site as that's were Ancestry got all the information and it obviously excists as its been transcribed. Is there anything else I can try to find this original record as its driving me nuts. Thanks in advance Dawn


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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 June 15 14:35 BST (UK) »
I believe the source of the Ancestry record is the Mormon Familysearch database and therefore this particular bit of information may be user-submitted rather than based on an actual parish record. Only the parish records appear on Scotlandspeople.
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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 June 15 14:35 BST (UK) »
Ancestry got the information from Latter Day Saints   ;)

The film number 1067933 quoted according to the LDS catalogue is here
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/238828?availability=Family%20History%20Library

It is not unusual however for the LDS to get the film number right but the parish mixed up with another on the film so it may be in Castleton or Crailing  https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1067933
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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 June 15 17:19 BST (UK) »
Hi I put Agnes Beattie into Scotlands People, Old Parish Records/ Banns Marriages, with just the date of 1825. It brings up 1 match. William, however does not produce anything.

1851 census Parish: Cavers; ED: 1; Page: 12; Line: 15; Roll: CSSCT1851_201; Year: 1851
Agnes is down under her maiden name, on the 1841 census under her married name. Don't know if there is any significance in this?
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Paternal Line--An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Maternal Line--Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
Husbands-Beckett. Heald. Pilkington. Arnold. Hall. Willows. Dring. Newcomb. Hawley.

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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 June 15 22:28 BST (UK) »
Details for children to Nancy/Agnes and William certainly seem to fit well for a 1825 marriage don't they - www.rootschat.com/links/01fho/  (link shrunk from family search).

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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 June 15 23:00 BST (UK) »

1851 census Parish: Cavers; ED: 1; Page: 12; Line: 15; Roll: CSSCT1851_201; Year: 1851
Agnes is down under her maiden name, on the 1841 census under her married name. Don't know if there is any significance in this?


Scottish women never loose by law their maiden names by marriage. This is the reason a woman's maiden name features so strongly in Scottish records. Married women, particularly in earlier times, often show using their maiden names, whilst married or widowed.

Agnes shows in 1851 as a widow, under her maiden name of Beattie www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=78501131

Monica

PS: Whatever the wildcards, can't see the marriage mentioned in 1825 on SP  :-\
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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 June 15 23:53 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I have used Scotlands People online and like you couldn't find the entry I wanted but luckily I live in Edinburgh, and went for a day to search their records in person - and would you believe it - found what I was looking for ???? eventually. Can't explain this !!!  Neither could they ;D

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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 June 15 09:37 BST (UK) »
"Scottish women never loose by law their maiden names by marriage. This is the reason a woman's maiden name features so strongly in Scottish records. Married women, particularly in earlier times, often show using their maiden names, whilst married or widowed."

Yes I did realise this, but in all my Scottish searching I have never come across a wife on the census not using her married name, so was not sure how this worked, Hence my question "Don't know if there is any significance in this?"

I have shown a different 1851 census to you, so we may have 2 ladies here.
Cavers
William Heatlie   56
Nancy Beattie   53
Thomas Heatlie   20
James Heatlie   19
John Heatlie   18
William Heatlie   16

AREA, Nottinghamshire. Lincolnshire. Staffordshire. Leicestershire, Morayshire.
Paternal Line--An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Maternal Line--Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
Husbands-Beckett. Heald. Pilkington. Arnold. Hall. Willows. Dring. Newcomb. Hawley.

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Re: Ancestry Vs Scotlands people
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 June 15 09:45 BST (UK) »
Monica
"Agnes shows in 1851 as a widow, under her maiden name of Beattie www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=78501131"

Walter Beattie was baptised in Cavers 23-12-1832 to Thomas Beattie and Agnes Miller, so not the correct census image, I did wonder why the children were under the name Beattie....Your widowed Agnes Beattie was married to Thomas Beattie.

Baptisms Cavers
Nelly 20 Sep 1796
Thomas 15 May 1803
Parents John Beattie and Cilia Hall
AREA, Nottinghamshire. Lincolnshire. Staffordshire. Leicestershire, Morayshire.
Paternal Line--An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Maternal Line--Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
Husbands-Beckett. Heald. Pilkington. Arnold. Hall. Willows. Dring. Newcomb. Hawley.