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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 June 15 22:57 BST (UK) »
I don't see a death for her.

Have a look on:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
(search in deaths with county Warwickshire for her and you'll see that there's really not a good match.)

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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 June 15 18:36 BST (UK) »
Have you managed to go back from Walter b 1902? Ancestry has a baptism of Walter Coleman, son of William (a toolmaker) and Frances, of Guildhall St, on March 3 1902. Is this your grandfather?

Then there's a death in Birmingham in early 1986 for a Walter Coleman dob 9 Aug 1901. Is this your granddad?
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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 25 June 15 18:48 BST (UK) »
Hi, thankyou for looking and replying. No I haven't gone back before 1902 for my grandfather. Still trying to find who he married and when. Know caroline cardall was my grandmother but having trouble finding a death record. Also I know he remarried but don't know when or to whom. I do know that he died in 1954 in Birmingham.

Heavens know how I'd go back any further.
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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 25 June 15 18:53 BST (UK) »
Going back earlier might be a lot easier!
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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 25 June 15 19:11 BST (UK) »
Ok, I'm trying to organise what we already definitely know and what is surmised.

Your grandfather was born around 1902 in Birmingham; this may be his birth registration

Births Mar 1902 
Coleman    Walter         Aston    6d   440   

he may have been the son of William and Frances as per the baptism record; this family is in the 1911 census as well.

Walter Coleman m Caroline Cardall in 1925
Marriages Dec 1925   
Cardall    Caroline    Coleman    Birmingham S.    6d   104    
Coleman    Walter    Cardall    Birmingham S.    6d   104

There are no other Coleman/Cardall marriages listed on freeBMD at all.

There are only 2 births listed at any time with surname Coleman and mother's maiden name Cardall:

Births Sep 1928   
Coleman    Raymond W T    Cardall    Birmingham N.    6d   717

Births Jun 1947   
Coleman    John         Cardall        Stoke    9b   1132 ---- this one may be a bit of a mystery given that there are no other marriages to match these names?

The electoral register shows Walter and Caroline together in 1935, but your father Raymond appears to be living with Charlotte Coleman in 1955; and Charlotte was with Walter Coleman in 1950. This would tie in with this marriage:

Marriages Jun 1942   
Coleman    Walter    Southall    Birmingham    6d   343    
Southall    Charlotte    Coleman    Birmingham    6d   343

So it looks as though the options are that sometime between 1935 and 1942, Caroline died; or she and Walter divorced; or they split up, she "disappeared" and the second marriage was bigamous.

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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 25 June 15 19:13 BST (UK) »
There is only one possible birth reg for a Caroline Cardall on freeBMD

Births Mar 1905
Cardall    Caroline         Solihull    6d   636

---right sort of age, right part of the world. I can't see her in 1911 and as you say, I can't see any death for her either as Coleman or Cardall (the latter if she and Walter split and she reverted to her maiden name).
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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 25 June 15 19:33 BST (UK) »
Everything stated seems to be right. Raymond W T Coleman was my dad, but don't think the 1947 birth Stoke is relevant (or is it?). Hitting a brick wall re Caroline death. I was lead to believe she died when my dad was 4 or younger. Hope second marriage wasn't bigamous (such scandal). I know divorce back then was almost impossible - wonder how you can check?
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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 25 June 15 19:46 BST (UK) »
I can't see anything about a divorce in the newspapers or on the National Archives site.

Do you know that actual date of your grandfather's death? There is probate listed for Walter Coleman who died in 1954 in Coventry, the probate is dated 25 July (so after the death, obviously!) This might not be your granddad but if it is, a will might give some helpful info.
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Re: Walter Coleman
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 25 June 15 19:56 BST (UK) »
Clutching at straws -- there was a death in Shrewsbury in 1940 of a Caroline Coleman of the right age. Could this be her? Maybe vising friends or family, or away on holiday? Shropshire is not far from Birmingham!

Again, no obits in the papers on the BL site.

Maybe worth posting on the Shropshire board to see if someone can access any local obits or burial info, if only to rule this one out.
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