peter flood(james peter flood)

[christopherc13]

searching for birth place/parents of peter flood,possible real name james peter,1849,ireland
served merchant navy,only census 1911 retired,living 70 king st Plymouth.
married anne lamb,plymouth,had daughter annie,who became my grandmother Clemens.
on peter/anne marriage certificate,states father alex(possibly alexander)
if james peter is real name,died 1926,plymouth.

[ballydw]

searching for birth place/parents of peter flood,possible real name james peter,1849,ireland
served merchant navy,only census 1911 retired,living 70 king st Plymouth.
married anne lamb,plymouth,had daughter annie,who became my grandmother Clemens.
on peter/anne marriage certificate,states father alex(possibly alexander)
if james peter is real name,died 1926,plymouth.

Hello & welcome to Rootschat.
Without knowing which county in Ireland Peter was born there are only a few options for research.
As he was born prior to Civil Registration in 1864 you would have to rely on Baptism records. Do you know what denomination Peter was?
The RC Parish Records for Ireland are due to come on line on 8th July.
I had a look at www.nationalarchives.ie & the Griffith Valuation records are showing 3 entries for a Alexander Flood 1 in Co Longford & 2 in Co Fermanagh.
Have you thought about obtaining Peters Navy record available from nationalarchives.co.uk this would give you details of where he originated in Ireland.
Another site to try is www.familysearch.org which has early baptism records & you could try searching with residence Co Longford & Co Fermanagh

[Sinann]

One of those Fermanagh Alexander's may be this family and so it looks like they can be ruled out, as there is no Peter or James listed for 1851.
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=24398
But worth taking note of.

[Sinann]

There is also these Alexanders in the Calendars of Wills
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fjs/
I think there is only two men, well I think the Monaghan one is a different man but as he is listed as a MD he could be the same chap as the others. It's very confusing with all the different dates of death.
Could it be three men.

Jessie's husband is far to young, only 51 in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Bundoran/Magheracar__part_of_Bundoran_1_/1166778/

All seems to connect back to the Alexander of 1851 and there is no Peter or James Peter turning up at all.

[Br1gau]

Hi christopherc13,

With the lack of suitable death records I can see why you are drawn to the one in 1926 for James Peter Flood (estimated birth year 1845), but I think this is the man who appears throughout the censuses as James Peter Flood married to Hannah, he also has an estimated birth year of 1844-45.

I cannot see Peter in any other census apart from 1911 either, although Annie, her children and her mother are there in 1891 running a Second Hand Clothes business.  Kelly's Directories have these entries until 1914, all in the name of Peter Flood:

1890 Second Hand Clothes Dealer 118 King Street
1893 Second Hand Clothes Dealer 110 King Street
1910 Shop Keeper 70 King Street
1914 Shop Keeper 70 King Street

brigau

[Br1gau]

Could this be your Peter Flood?

A sailor named Peter Flood, who recently came from abroad, whilst travelling on the Great Western Railway to Plymouth was seized with illness just before reaching Bridgewater, where it was deemed advisable to remove him from the train and convey him in a van to an isolated building connected with the infirmary.  The borough medical officer of health has telegraphed to the Local Government Board that the man was suffering from choleraic symptoms, but that he is now much better.  All his clothing has been destroyed and other precautions have been observed.
The Times 29 Sep 1892

The Cholera Epidemic – Suspicious case at Bridgewater
It was ascertained on enquiry at the Local Government Board Office yesterday that according to Dr Francis Parsons, medical officer of health for Bridgewater, the man, Peter Flood, who sickened there with symptoms of a choleraic character on his way from Sutton Bridge to Plymouth, is now rapidly recovering.  No further evidence has been obtained that during his voyage from Archangel to England he had the opportunity of contracting Asiatic cholera.  Dr Mason, medical officer at Hull reports that the steamer Esperanza, having been disinfected, left the mooring ground on Wednesday.  The captain, who had sickened of cholera, is now progressing favourably.  England is thus at present quite free from cholera.
Bristol Mercury 30 Sep 1892

[christopherc13]

thanks for replies,especially BR1GAU,the family ann,annie clothes dealers are the correct family,i find the esperanza,sick sailor,hopeful,may try merchant navy records,as I never knew of any ships he served on.

[seaweed]

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Have you thought about obtaining Peters Navy record available from nationalarchives.co.uk this would give you details of where he originated in Ireland.
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Given that Peter Flood was born in 1849 it would have been in the 1860's at the earliest when he first went to sea. As there were no central  Merchant Navy personal records kept between 1857 and effectively 1918 there would be no personal records for him between these dates.
The only way forward is to look at crew agreements.
Thanks to Br1gau we now know that at least one of his vessels was named ESPERANZA, probably the Hull registered vessel with the Official number 63867.
Her crew agreement covering August/September 1892 should be available from here for a fee.

https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=63867

This should tell you his place of birth and previous ship. By backtracking via crew agreements it may be possible to trace his previous MN career.

There was a Peter Flood aged 40 serving on the Plymouth registered vessel  SIR WALTER RALIEGH o/n 95140 in 1890. His place of birth is given as Ayr.

[Br1gau]

Great informative post Seaweed, but I'm having trouble placing Peter Flood conclusively aboard the Esperanza.  The newspapers report that he had returned from a voyage to Archangel, whereas this report from the Liverpool Mercury gives no time for that.

THE CHOLERA EPIDEMIC – The Case at Hull
An official statement was received yesterday by the Local Government Board from the medical officer at Hull respecting the cholera on board the steamer Esperanza.  The vessel left Hull, all well, on Sunday, the 18th instant, for Hamburg, which was reached on the 19th.  She left Hamburg on the 22nd, and arrived at Hull on the 24th.  On a medical inspection, she was found all well, but an hour later the captain, aged 39, was suddenly attacked by cholera after the arrival of the vessel in dock.  The patient was removed to the hospital in an ambulance, and the names and destination of the crew were taken, while the ship was taken out of the dock to be disinfected, and no one was allowed to go near her.  The captain is progressing favourably.  So sudden an attack is almost unprecedented, as there are usually premonitory symptoms some days before the seizure
Liverpool Mercury Tuesday, September 27, 1892; Issue 13956

The Esperanza, owned by Messrs Bailey & Leetham, was cleared from quarantine Sep 28 1892

I cannot find a vessel arriving in Northern ports ex Archangel.  These are the ships mentioned arriving late September, although, understandably the emphasis was on the cholera outbreak rather than the movement of shipping:

Hamburg Steamer Uranus for, Hull, one fatality, Sep 22, cleared from quarantine Sep 25
Hamburg steamer Helene Sauber in Grangemouth Sep 22
No cholera at Grimsby, 23 Sep
Steamer Netherholm from Quebec for Greenock, crew quarantined Sep 23
Lita from Hamburg for Greenock via Leith – no cases on board, crew quarantined according to regulations Sep 23
Steamer Langdon, Rotterdam for Newcastle, one case of cholera Sep 24
Steamer Isle of Jura, Rotterdam for Newcastle, quarantined Sep 24
German steamer Kramus, Hamburg for Hull, one case on board, ship quarantined Sep 24