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Phillips brick wall.
« on: Wednesday 01 July 15 21:50 BST (UK) »
We've been trying to find the parents of our 3x great grandfather Samuel Phillips. 1828 who married Emily Ness ( down as Nest)  9 August 1847.  Samuels dad is down as John Phillips a labourer. They all lived in the Deritend  area of Birmingham.  The problem we have is there were so many John Phillips!   On  the 1841 I found  a John Phillips  age 50 wife Caroline 50 various children including Samuel age 15. Could this be the one.?   hope you can help....Mo

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Re: Phillips brick wall.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 July 15 22:42 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat, bearnan mo.

Which church did Samuel marry at, and who were the witnesses?

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Re: Phillips brick wall.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 July 15 22:53 BST (UK) »
Is this a different Samuel Phillips and wife Emma/Emily?

1851 census
Ladywood Area, Birmingham
John Phillips   69 labourer  Coleshill
Catherine Phillips   68
Samuel Phillips   25   labourer   Birmingham
Emma Phillips   21
Samuell Phillips   3
Class   HO107   Piece  2051   Folio  246  Page  24

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Re: Phillips brick wall.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 July 15 23:08 BST (UK) »
Have you looked here for him?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fkz/

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Re: Phillips brick wall.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 July 15 06:53 BST (UK) »
Is this your suggested 1841 census - as Samuel looks to be a brass founder and John's occupation I cannot decipher, but neither says Labourer?
1841 Deritend and Bordesley
John Phillips   50
Caroline Phillips   50
Caroline Phillips   20
Samuel Phillips   15
Henry Phillips   2
Class   HO107     Piece  1148     Book  5       Enumeration District  13     Folio 11    Page 15

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Re: Phillips brick wall.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 July 15 09:56 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for your replies. Yes your last post is for the john Phillips I believe may be correct,  John is down as a cheymist whatever that is. Samuel brass founder. Maybe my best guess.  Samuel and Emily married St Martins 9 August 1847.  Father John labourer. witness Hannah Colebourne. the other looks like Samuel Bismark but writing not too good!    Thanks again.....

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 July 15 19:11 BST (UK) »
Have you got the family in 1851?

Cheymist could be chemist.  If father and son are both labourers at marriage, why would they be brass foundry worker and cheymist on preceding census?

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 July 15 20:57 BST (UK) »
hi my sister asked me to send you message .ive just looked at 1851 and the occupation of both samuel and john are labouers . looked at place of birth coleshill so find fist post is right so than you you have put us in right direction
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 July 15 15:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your post, my sister had a look last night at john Phillips the cheymist (chemist) and agree he's not 'ours', I'd done my best to ignore his job. I hope John from Coleshill is correct, totally unexpected though.
Thank you for your help....
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