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KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« on: Friday 10 July 15 01:14 BST (UK) »
Some years ago the parish priest sent me the following baptisms for the children of Jeffrey Keating and Johanna Kirby in Fedamore:

Jeffery on 28.08.1808
Ellen on 29.08.1810
John on 27.12.1814
Margaret on 29.01.1817
Johanna on 15. 11. 1818

When the parish records came online this week, I immediately looked up the original records. All good, except for the first one which was almost impossible to read.

I also found another child for this couple:

Jeffrey Keating bapt 23 Jan 1814.

This was a huge surprise as the Jeffrey born 1808 fitted beautifully with what I know about my gg grandfather, Jeffrey James Keating, who was 67 when he died in Feb 1876 in Albury NSW, father Jeffrey.

My first thought was that the first Jeffrey died and the second one was my gg grandfather and the dates were wrong.

Is it possible for a family to have two children baptised with the same name? My Jeffrey was known by his second name James in Australia.

Could the priest have made a mistake with the first name when transcribing the records?
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 10 July 15 08:29 BST (UK) »
In Ireland, up until recent times, it was quite common to re-use a Christian name after the death of a young child- even more than once. Seems to be especially true it it was the name of a direct ancestor(grandfather, father, mother, etc.).
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 10 July 15 08:49 BST (UK) »
It also depends on how old they were when baptized... you can get 3 children bapt. on same day, eldest maybe age 8.
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 July 15 12:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your replies. I guess that means that the first Jeffrey must have died if the name was reused for another son?  If so, then the younger Jeffrey probably couldn't be my ancestor as his age at death makes him too old to be born in 1814. He'd also probably be too young to graduate as an apothecary in 1832 and marry in 1833.
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 10 July 15 12:13 BST (UK) »
My g/father was named after a child that died, no burial/death for first and no birth/bapt for 2nd....
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 July 15 12:15 BST (UK) »
born in 1814. He'd also probably be too young to graduate as an apothecary in 1832... not necessarily!!

Plenty of 12 y. olds attended colleges!
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 July 15 12:17 BST (UK) »
Jeffrey Keating bapt 23 Jan 1814.

This was a huge surprise as the Jeffrey born 1808 fitted beautifully...


...and like I said could have been 6 y.o. when baptized!!
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 July 15 12:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks Hallmark, I didn't realise young boys could become apothecaries at 12 :-)

If there was a Jeffrey baptised in 1808, then the one baptised in 1814 wouldn't be 6 years old ... unless he was baptised twice.

England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 10 July 15 13:03 BST (UK) »
Hi There

My first question would be :

How do you know that this Fedamore couple are YOUR relations ?

Do you have paperwork from NSW to back this up ?

Tara