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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #9 on: Friday 10 July 15 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Tara,

I have my Jeffrey's death certificate which says he was 67 when he died in 1876, father Jeffrey and that he was born in Limerick.

There was only one Jeffrey Keating in Limerick in Griffiths Valuation - the one in Fedamore. And when the parish priest found he had a son Jeffrey bapt 1808, it all seemed to fit.

But finding the 1814 baptism has got me wondering ...

Jan
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #10 on: Friday 10 July 15 21:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Jan

Sorry to disappoint but it's not that straighforward.

GV as a source of thinking where your family originated is your main stumbling point ~

1. YOUR Jeffrey SR quite possible died before it was taken in the late 1850's / early 1860's and so obviously wouldn't show on it.

2. GV is NOT a census, it's a list of those heads of household whom were responsible for paying rents due on land and houses ~ there are a vast array of people who don't fall into this bracket and hence don't show up on the GV.

You also need to take 'Limerick' into consideration.

Just because Jeffrey was born there, doesn't mean that it's where his parent's were from OR lived.

For example, say his father was a military man, travelling salesman, sailor etc ~ the family could have been transient and hence other baptisms could show up anywhere.

Sorry but there is more work for you to do in NSW.

To research family in Ireland you need father's name, mother's name (including maiden name), you then need an EXACT parish, not just county  that they came from to see if records for that area still exist.

You need to go back to where your Jeffrey lived and died in NSW.

You need to trawl births, marriages and deaths to try and get leads.

You need to look through newspapers for obits and the like to see if a townland for him is mentioned.

You need to tray and track possible siblings for him in the area and do the same for them, try to get any leads to a townland that your family originated in.

So, a quick question ~

Was an occupation for Jeffrey SR ever mentioned ?
 
Jeffrey JR being an apothecary ~ did he train here or in NSW ?

Have you tried trade books in NSW to see if he's mentioned ~ again to try and get leads ?

Again Sorry, but more work to be done  ;D

Tara

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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #11 on: Friday 10 July 15 22:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Tara, lots to follow up here. To answer your questions:

Jeffrey SR also shows up in Garrane in the Tithe Applotments.

Jeffrey JR graduated Licentiate Apothecaries Hall Dublin in 1833. He married there in 1832.

He was an apothecary/doctor first in Dublin in the 1830s then in Melbourne in 1841 and finally in Albury until 1876.

His death certificate had mother's name unknown. The informant was his wife.

There was no mention of any townland in any of the obits for him. One said "The deceased gentleman was the descendant of a very respectable family in Ireland, one of whom wrote the history of his native country, which is still very popular amongst Irishmen". I was told that he was descended from the brother of Geoffrey Keating who wrote the History of Ireland.

None of his siblings came to Australia.

Jan
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #12 on: Friday 10 July 15 22:39 BST (UK) »
Defo a few leads there.

I shall a poke about.

Tara

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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 July 15 23:13 BST (UK) »
Hi There

I have found a very interesting article re a Geoffrey Keating of Grange, Limerick and he died in 1870.

Grange is VERY close to Fedamore !

Tara

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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 July 15 23:14 BST (UK) »
Tara, I just remembered that the person who told me about my Jeffrey being descended from Geoffrey Keating's brother also said my Jeffrey was part of the Tipperary sept.

Before you mentioned it, I hadn't thought of his parents not being born in Limerick - perhaps they were in Tipperary?
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #15 on: Friday 10 July 15 23:17 BST (UK) »
Tara, I think that Geoffrey Keating you found was the one in Griffiths.
I have this reference from LDS:
Name: Geoffery Keating
Registration district: Croom
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 4 June 1870
Estimated birth year: 1774
Age: 96
Mother surnames:
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Widowed
Film number: 101585
Volume: 10
Page: 168
Digital GS number: 4200217
Image number: 00128
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958

also his wife Johanna:
Name: Johanna Keating
Registration district: Croom
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1868
Estimated birth year: 1784
Age: 84
Mother surnames:
Film number: 101584
Volume: 5
Page: 164
Digital GS number: 4200216
Image number: 00120
Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958

England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: KEATING Fedamore Limerick - spanner in the works!
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 July 15 23:17 BST (UK) »
The Geoffrey 'History of Ireland' chap was born in Tipperary BUT long before you family came to being so it's hard to tell for now.

Tara