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Born and married in Belguim (added: Amelie CAUDWELL, née CUYPERS)
« on: Saturday 11 July 15 16:47 BST (UK) »
My Great grandmother Amelie (no surname)  was born in Brussels in approx 1875 and presumably married there in 1892  to a Richard Caudwell  from the UK and their first two children are born in Belgium before they moved back to the UK.
Is it possible to find  a marraige for her  and then a birth ?

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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 July 15 18:06 BST (UK) »
It might be possible. Looking carefully at the census,  Amelie was born in Brussels (Bruxelles) and the two children were born in Ixelles.

The births of the children will have been registered with the local commune authorities in Ixelles and if you can find the registrations they should tell you Amelie's maiden name . I am not sure of the best way to approach this research but others here may be able to help you.

Here is a link to the commune website http://www.ixelles.be/site/index.php
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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 July 15 18:11 BST (UK) »
Though an easier way to find her maiden name would be via the UK records for the younger children!
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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 July 15 19:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks to you both for your replies and suggestions  Where abouts would I need to search on the Ixcelles site?

Sorry I am not that familiar with the national achives  site  would I be looking in the discovery section?
The younger children are Emily born1907 and Frank 1909  both born in East Retford Notts.
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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 July 15 12:03 BST (UK) »
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UK records for the younger children

What I mean is that you can apply for a birth certificate which will tell you Amelie's maiden name.

Frank Caudwell's birth was registered in East Retford in the quarter ended December 1909 volume 7b page 9.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 July 15 12:16 BST (UK) »
You could contact the Ixelles commune administration Vital Statistics Service and ask if it is possible to trace the birth registrations of the children born there, and what the search fee would be.

  http://www.ixelles.be/site/67-Etat-civil
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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 July 15 12:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for your suggestions  I will try the Ixcelles  site first and if I don't get any luck  I will get a birth certificate.

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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 July 15 15:33 BST (UK) »

it’s always worth a try to contact the civil registration, but most of the records for Elsene/Ixelles and Brussels are online (on Familysearch or on the Belgian State Archives)

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927071
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18261-89379-25?cc=1482191&wc=STV3-3TG:966896201,1489058001
cert n° 209
Marriage 20/02/1892  11 am Brussels
bridegroom : Richard Caudwell, 27/07/1866 Egnanton (Egmanton ?), Nottingham, England,  servant, there domiciled, now residing at Brussels  avenue d’Auderghem n° 34,  before Brussels at Etterbeek
parents      Richard Caudwell
                 Helene Caudwell (formerly Lacey, see marriage annexes image 757)
bride          Amelie Cuypers, born 22/05/1874 Brussels,  ironer, living at Impasse Saint-Roche n° 12
parents      Pierre Cuypers, deceased  (04/10/1885 Brussels see marriage annexes image 768)
                 Elisabeth Brousté, without profession, present an consenting
witnesses   Joseph Hanssens, 29 years old, commissioner
                 Jean Georges Cuypers, 26 years old, tanner, brother of the bride
                 Martin Cuypers, 22 years old, cigar maker, brother of the bride
                 Joseph Puttemans, 47 years old, (brewers man/or - servant/or - lad ?)
                 all living at Brussels
marriage publication : 07/02/18992 at Brussels and Etterbeek

marriage annexes (suporting marriage documents) image 755 up to and including image 768
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-31730-8915-76?cc=1482191&wc=ST24-JWG:966896201,1493434501


birth cert n° 313   
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18255-56045-41?cc=1482191&wc=STV9-N3D:966886201,1489063601   

Richard Caudwell  born 05/04/1896  2 pm at rue de Florence n° 20,  Ixelles / Elsene
parents   Richard Caudwell, 29 years old, born Egnanton (Egmanton ?), Nottingham, England, coachman
              Amelie Cuypers, 22 years old, born Brussels
              domicile Egnanton (Egmanton ?), residing rue de Florence n° 20 Ixelles

birth  cert n°322   
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18360-23113-93?cc=1482191&wc=STVN-RM9:966886201,1489961301
Georges Caudwell  born 05/04/1902 4 am, at rue Keyenveld n° 26, Ixelles/Elsene 
parents   Richard Caudwell, coachman, 35 years old, born Egnanton (Egmanton ?), Nottingham, coachman
              Amelie Cuypers, 28 years old, born Brussels, without profession
              domicile Egnanton (Egmanton ?),  residing rue Keyenveld n° 26, Ixelles

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Re: Born and married in Belguim
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 July 15 16:07 BST (UK) »
Now there's a result!
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