Illigitimacy - understanding it

[spendlove]

Hi,

Is the the marriage for Alice Goode:-

George Bick = Alice Goode September Q 1898 Ross Registration District (which includes Brampton Abbotts.

Were the other daughters:-
Ada Elsie born Sept Q 1900 Ross Reg. Dist
Alice May born Dec Q 1905 Abergavenny Reg District.

If so I note that both girls had 2 christian names did Katleeen also have another name?


Spendlove

[Yonks Ago]

Could this be your Kathleen??

Name:   Kathleen Barrett
Birth Date:   6 Jun 1914
Date of Registration:   Sep 1970
Age at Death:   56
Registration district:   Hereford
Inferred County:   Herefordshire
Volume:   9a
Page:   83
Barrett may be fathers surname
Yonks

[Dundee]

Could this be your Kathleen??

Name:   Kathleen Barrett
Birth Date:   6 Jun 1914
Date of Registration:   Sep 1970
Age at Death:   56
Registration district:   Hereford
Inferred County:   Herefordshire
Volume:   9a
Page:   83
Barrett may be fathers surname
Yonks

That is a death record and would likely be a married surname.

Debra 

[youngtug]

A couple of questions;
What was Kathleens maiden name on her marriage cert. ?
Who did she marry?

[Hampshire Lass]

Hi sophiewilliams,

Searching for a birth of a child named Kathleen in 1914 (with no surname entered in the search) and mother's maiden name Goode, only produces one result.....

Kathleen Clarke, Sept qtr, Huddersfield, vol 9a, page 541.

If she wasn't registered with the name Kathleen, or not registered at all, then this is not a relevant result but it just may be her.

P.S. added information. Sorry may be a red herring as there is a possible sibling for this child 3 years later. However, confusingly there is another Clarke/Goode baby in the same quarter as the one I mentioned. Obviously she can't be a sibling and it's on a different page, so not a twin.

[sophiewilliams]

Hello Spendlove and everyone else! My Kathleen was only Kathleen Bick. No middle name. She did indeed marry a George Barratt and died in 1970 of breast cancer  .  Thanks again for your help. 

[heywood]

Hello Yonks and Ruskie....thank you so much for helping me!  Now I do know Alice (great grandma) went back to her folks in Brampton Abbots to have my Grandma (Kathleen).  I've been told Kathleen was born 6th June 1914 and Alice had her by herself.  Kathleen had great trouble getting a passport later on in life and had to rely on a friend who had known her from birth and then for five years thereafter.....that's all I can tell you.  Surely Alice would have been in trouble for not registering her in any shape or form?  Kathleens surname was Bick.  Alice's maiden name was Goode.

Many thanks!

Hello,
Where was Alice before she went back to Brampton Abbots?
Did she have any children baptised?
On another thread, I think you mention she had another child -a boy. Where was he born? Was he registered?

Heywood

[sophiewilliams]

Hello

Yes this story has been mentioned in other threads.  It's a story that we can't get to the bottom of!

Alice was born in Brampton Abbots in 1876.  She married George Bick in 1898.  First child Ada Elsie born 1900 in Brampton A and christened there.  Then they moved to Abergavenny on 1901 cenus and Alice May was born in 1905 there and christened there.  1911 finds them in Berrow, Tewkesbury where a third child, George Bick was christened.  His death in 1912 confirms they were living in Marstow, nr Ross-on-Wye. 

George Bick (senior) then is admitted into Burghill (admission records confirm) in January 1914, where he does in 1916.  Admission records and death certificate show an abode of Marstow.   Admission records also show he was being looked after by a neighbour in Marstow because of violence shown towards his wife (Alice) in the months leading up to admission in January 1914.

Meanwhile Alice gets pregnant with Kathleen in August/September 1913 and then must move back to her roots in Brampton to have Kathleen.  Whether she moves as soon as she finds out she is pregnant or before birth....we don't know. 

Kathleen is born, with no middle name, takes the surname Bick, and is not christened.

This, although a lot, is what I know.

Thanks for your help everyone!

Soohie

[heywood]

Was Kathleen raised in Brampton A and family story says she was born there?
I am not doubting it but just checking.