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Offline mariemarie50

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brickwall on surname norgrove s
« on: Thursday 30 July 15 15:24 BST (UK) »
 :(could anyone who is researching the norgrove family tree help me please as I have been researching my tree for a while now and just found out our family are related to the norgroves , my grandfather was james norgrove but apart from his name and where he was in 1927 in the area of Monmouthshire I have nothing else on him , maybe you may of found a great uncle , or distant cousin etc who had to leave Monmouthshire around 1927-1928 or who came into England for a holiday and had to go back home , or went into the army / navy quite suddenly . Around 1933 my fathers aunt Doris had been adopted by family Hawkins in Coleford Monmouthshire so I was wondering if our grandfather came from around this area but I have hit a brickwall unfortunately my grandmother name was may seaborne who lived in llanarth and penrose Monmouthshire she came from a large family of 8 siblings and neihbours of ellaways family connections with handleys and Williams. Would so appreciated any help or any advice on where I can go from here
Hi i,m trying to find out information on my real grandfather , he may of lived with my grandmother may Victoria seaborne for a short while either in trellech of tregare monmouth in 1928-29 my dad Ronald was born in 1928 when may was working in penrose. my nan married in 1930 to thomas watkins soon after had a daughter, then unfortunately in 1933 nan died in llanishen monmouth aged 26. i would be extremely grateful if anyone could find any information out please

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Re: brickwall on surname norgrove s
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 July 15 15:28 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.

Do you have any more information, such as when your grandfather or grandmother died?

Was your father's aunt, Doris, James' sister? Do you know when she was born?

There is a May Victoria Seaborn(e) who was born in Penrhos in 1907 as one of several siblings, but she appears to have married a Thomas Watkins in 1930 and then died in 1933. Some dates would help pin your May down.

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Re: brickwall on surname norgrove s
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 July 15 17:18 BST (UK) »
If your grandfather was James Norgrove then one of your parents must have been born a Norgrove.  Do you know if he got married?
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Re: brickwall on surname norgrove s
« Reply #3 on: Friday 31 July 15 05:01 BST (UK) »
Hello, and welcome to Rootschat!  :)
I see from your byline that your father was born out of wedlock. How do you know that James Norgrove was his father? Ronald was registered as a Seaborne, Sep 1/4 1928, 11a 46, Monmouth. And the only Watkins/Seaborne birth in that era is an Evelyn M Watkins, Chepstow, 11a 1, Jun 1/4 1931; mother's maiden surname Seabourne (sic). It is quite possible that Evelyn became Doris when adopted.
Was James listed as the father on your dad's birth certificate? It is going to be quite difficult to trace him if that is all you have to go on.
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Re: brickwall on surname norgrove s
« Reply #4 on: Friday 31 July 15 08:34 BST (UK) »
I hadn't read your byline, but it now seems certain that the May V Seaborne who married Thomas Watkins in 1930 was the May Victoria Seaborn who was born in Jan-Mar 1930. She was born in Penrhos to (Ernest) James and Mary Ann Seaborn (nee Tedstone), and she had nine siblings. They are Ernest James, George Henry, Thomas J (1913), Frederick W S (1915) and five others born in Abergavenny. They may still be alive, so I can't name them but, if you search on the freebmd.org.uk site for children called Seaborn with the mother's maiden name as Tedstone, they will come up. Ernest James Seaborn and Mary Tedstone married in 1907 (although there is a transcription error on the freebmd site so I don't think the marriage will show).

(Ernest) James Seaborn (called Jim in 1901) and earlier generations can be traced on the censuses if you want that information. Their names switches between Seaborn/Seaborne/Seabourne.

Tracing James Norgrove will be much harder. One candidate may be the Henry James Norgrove who was born in Mardy, Glamorgan in 1905 and died in Swindon in 1967 (having married there in 1942). His wife didn't die until 1998, but her name isn't on his memorial stone (which doesn't give any more information). They had several children. That said, he's probably not the right person anyway.

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Re: brickwall on surname norgrove s
« Reply #5 on: Friday 31 July 15 12:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Marie and a warm welcome to Rootschat
this Norgrove familytree from Wales - but it is from Clwyd - not Monmouthshire - some members of this tree may have moved to Monmouthshire ??
http://gw.geneanet.org/newlandrichards?lang=en&v=NORGROVE&m=N

have a look and see if anyone is recognisable
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: brickwall on surname norgrove s
« Reply #6 on: Friday 31 July 15 20:30 BST (UK) »
Newspaper and Ancestry searches show there were Norgroves in the Abergavenny area, but not obviously a James. there is a James who is an older gentleman (b c1883) in Merthyr, but he dies in 1926!

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Re: brickwall on surname norgrove s
« Reply #7 on: Friday 31 July 15 20:44 BST (UK) »
Looking further at the Abergavenny Norgroves, the family had 4 boys. Alfred Charles (Fred) and Edward Clarence (Eddie) both died in 1915 - one on active service, the other in an accident at work on the railways in London. Frank Cecil b 1902 died Q2 1928 and Ivor b 1913 died in 1931

a little further afield there are various Norgroves in herefordshire (but again James is a challenge)
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