Stumped! - Roger Jackson and his son Arthur

[hevside]

Hello all

I promised a friend I would see what I could find about her father. He was Arthur (maybe Nigel as a middle name) JACKSON. Sadly he died while his daughter was a teenager and she never asked anyone about his history before it was too late. He and her Mum, Rose Cunningham married at Paddington Register Office in 1938, he was aged 42, a bachelor hotel waiter. They met working in the hotel. I ordered their marriage certificate to get his father's name thinking I could then place them on the 1911 & 1901 censuses. ... how wrong I was!!

His father's name is Roger Jackson (deceased as at 1938), an engine driver. She believes her Dad came from Cumbria but has nothing more specific.

I cannot find father and son anywhere and have spent all day searching... any suggestions anyone?? ... a long shot I know but thanks in advance to anyone who can contribute.

[Milliepede]

Have you found the birth registration for Arthur maybe Nigel Jackson?  If so you could send for the certificate and get mum and dad in one go. 

If he was 42 in 1938 he was born around 1896.

[Milliepede]

Don't suppose there are any Jackson witnesses on the marriage?

There are a couple of lone schoolboys ie not with family age 5 in 1901 but 

Possible he made up a fathers name and there is no Roger - have you found any possible deaths for him pre 1938?

[Milliepede]

Actually there aren't that many Roger Jackson deaths between 1895-1938, mostly Lancashire but a couple of interest perhaps.

1899 Gateshead Roger age 61
1929 Morpeth Roger L age 57 **

**possible marriage 1893 to Mary Hannah Dinning
However in 1901 that couple have a son William R age 4 and a daughter Rhoda 1
Roger isn't an engine driver either (house painter) so no good

[hevside]

Sadly no birth registrations that look likely. Arthur died in September 1956 at the age of 60. Combining this info with his marriage age it looks likely he would have been born in the last Quarter of 1895 or Q1 or 1896. In those quarters there are no Arthur Nigels but there are 10 Arthurs, none with any link to Cumbria... so apart from ordering them all!!!!

He was 42 on marriage and his wife only 29 so it's always possible he could even be older and telling porkies ... as if!!

Yes on the censuses there are a couple of "grandsons" or "cousins" who could be him but we have no way of knowing. Parish records are sparse online for that period, I've checked the ones I can find and also a fair few for Lancs. I have checked WW1 deaths, Roger is not there.

As you say any of these names could be wrong or just made up!  I may have to concede defeat.

[Milliepede]

There's a Roger born Westmorland who is a railway goods porter in 1901 age 43.
Wife Ann 39 and couple of teenage children but no little Arthur 

As you say it's a bit too vague to call unfortunately. 

[cath151]

There is an Arthur Nigel Gardner born OND 1895 Ulverston(nearly Cumbria)

Baptised 8th Dec 1895 Dalton in Furness, Lancs,
Parents Roger and Annie.
1901 census has Roger, Annie, Arthur N and other children still in Dalton in Furness, Ulverston
Father Rogers occupation is Engine Driver (Stationary)
RG13/5338  138/24

Just a co incidence I m sure, Roger appeared to have married Annie Lattimer so no Jackson surname there.

Cathy

[MaureeninNY]

I really like Cathy's find re:Arthur Nigel GARDNER.

I'm not seeing a likely marriage or death for anyone that would fit him.

Maureen

[avm228]

Yes that definitely merits further investigation.

I had wondered whether Roger had died early, leaving Annie to marry a Jackson, but have found a possible death for Roger Gardner in Ulverston, Dec qtr 1928 aged 78.