Richard Uren

[Colin Uern]

I am trying to find the line for my ancestor Richard Uren who married Eliza and had a son John before immigrating to South Australia on the ship D'Auvergne out of London in 1838 arriving in Adelaide on March 22nd 1839...He would have been 29 at the time...He died tragically in July 1847 in Gawler South Australia after falling from a raft whilst crossing the local Nth Para River ...I am from Richard's son John's lineage...The name was mispelt during Richards early pioneer days in Gawler where some of his 5 children were surname Uren and others Uern...I have the Uern surname..
Any assistance as to Richards lineage would be most appreciated...

[trish1120]

Welcome to Rootschat.

From South Australian Pioneers Site;
UREN Richard, Eliza (wife), son J arrived 1839-03-22 on D'Auvergne from London 1838-11-13
UREN Richard, Eliza ?, parents of child born 1841-05-01 named Mary Frances at Bowden


Not sure about early records but Mary Frances Birth Cert may have Elizas maiden name?

Most Urens seem to originate from Cornwall on Familysearch.Org.
I looked for a John Uren birth c 1836-1838 England on there, Parents Richard/Eliza with no luck.

Do you know how old John was when he arrived in Australia?

Possible Marriage but hard to confirm;
Richard UREN/Eliza MARTIN, 19 July 1836, King Charles the Martyr, Falmouth, Cornwall
Witnesses; Richard and Grace Uren
Notes, By Banns. Richard Uren Snr, the witness
(Source FreeREG)

Did Eliza remarry after Richards Death?

Trish

[Dundee]

Not seeing Mary Frances, but this could be another child:

1843
HERN    (No first name)
Parents: Richard HERN & Eliza MARTIN
Born Gawler
Registered Adelaide
1/34

A transcription of the marriage posted by Trish can be seen here

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJH1-96PX

Debra 

[Colin Uern]

Hi and many thanks for your help...From my records you are on the money...Eliza Martin rings a bell from info I researched many years ago..The wedding of Richard to Eliza in 1836 fits with them immigrating to South Australia in 1838...Richard would have been 29 at the time of sailing...John's age was not stated but one would expect he was an infant...I have information stating Mary Francis was born on the 1st of May 1841 at Bowden an inner suburb of Adelaide prior to them relocating to Gawler...There were 5 children in all before Richard drowned on the 25th of July 1847...Eliza was one of their children who died at age 11 and is buried in what is now named the Pioneer Park Gawler along with Richard..Births deaths and Marriages would reveal the other names but I remember at the time of research that they had both surnames...Uren and Uern obviously from mispelling...I dont know for certain what became of Eliza which was a common name back then...
I have seen an Eliza Uren remarried in 1854 which may or may not be her...I am only familiar with my lineage from John but it would have been great to know where all the other children and lineages eventuated...John relocated to Bordertown in the states lower southeast and worked as a bootmaker...He married into a wealthy Irish family the Bowdens'...From memory her name was Mary Bridget Bowden...I'm fairly certain they ended their lives in Norwood which is an eastern suburb of Adelaide as I saw a death notice for a John Uern stating such...
I have always wondered where in Cornwall Richard came from and also if he was the only sibling to relocate to Australia from his family...With limited funds and resources I haven't been able to establish any information...

Regards
Colin Uern...

[trish1120]

Hi again Colin,

This is on this site also;
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/colonists.htm
UREN James Sweet, Elizabeth Ann CUNDY married 1849-09-08 at Trinity, Ade, aged 25, 17
UREN James Sweet, Elizabeth Ann CUNDY, parents of child born 1850-05-13 named Elizabeth Jane at (TMu)
UREN James Sweet, Elizabeth Ann CUNDY, parents of child born 1851-06-22 named Elizabeth Jane at (TMu
UREN John, Mary Ann SWEET, Jas Sweet, John, William arrived 1847-07-02 on Trafalgar (1) from London via Plymouth 47-03-18

So looks like Parents John/Mary Ann nee Sweet and Son John 1824 who then married Elizabeth Ann Cundy

Now I was looking for your Richards possible Baptism and found this Marriage on FreeREG;
Richard UREN to Alice SWEET, 16 June 1794, King Charles the Martyr, Falmouth

Now Familysearch.Org has these Children Christened Falmouth to RICHARD/ALICE Uren;
RICHARD, 3 May 1795
ALICE SWEET Uren, 3 March 1797
EDWARD Uren, 14 May 1800
GEORGE Uren, 5 June 1805
LOUISA Uren, 13 July 1815

FreeREG has;
Richard 1795/Alice Sweet 1797/Edward 1800/Elizabeth 1803/George 1805/John 1811****/William 1812/
Louisa 1815/Joseph 1819 (birth 1817)/Charlotte 1819

Marriage on FreeREG Bodmin, John UREN/Mary Ann SWEET, 12 July 1824

Not your Richard but another Family from Cornwall that ended up in Sth Australia

[philipsearching]

I have always wondered where in Cornwall Richard came from and also if he was the only sibling to relocate to Australia from his family...With limited funds and resources I haven't been able to establish any information...

A quick surname search on FreeBMD from 1837 to 1845 suggests that there were Urens in various places in Cornwall, but the largest group was in Redruth, and the second largest in Penzance so the likelihood is that your Uren ancestors were from one of those two registration districts.  An ancestor of mine had siblings who married Urens in Gwennap back in the mid 1700s so we might be very distant cousins.

All the best
Philip

[Colin Uern]

Hi again

Thankfully given Richard was a common christian name amongst the Urens' the information I gleened many years ago from the Gawler museum which chronicled events of the early years of which Richard in his drowning became somewhat infamous narrowed down my search...His age at death in 1847 being 37 years being a great help along with the mispelt surname on the plaque in the Pioneer Park cemetery.. John, his son, carried on with the mispelt surname for reasons known only to him hence me having the Uern surname...My uncle Ronald who died 2 years ago aged 87 unknowing many years ago reverted back to the Uren surname out of frustration of continuous questioning about the origins of Uern...I was forever gratefull back then when I was 29 for a wise old historian living in Millicent in southeastern South Australia where John's wife Mary Bridget Bowden lived for telling me of the illiteracy in those times and the likelihood of my name being mispelt...It was quite by chance that I was standing in the Pioneer Park one day in Gawler and was gob smacked to see the names Richard and Eliza Uern on the memorial plaque...
I think the marriage of one Richard Uren to Eliza Martin in 1836 in Camborne would be almost certainly my man..This fits somewhat with the journeying to Australia with his wife Eliza and young son John in 1838 of which I have documented shipping records...His parents Richard senior and wife Grace would be the next line to follow but it seems they hailed from the Cramborne region given Richard and Eliza married there...I read the Uren story which is a little overwhelming to get my head around but it seemed the lived in enclaves back in those days and a lot of the surnames denoted where they hailed from...It would be astonishing to find distant rellatives to me from that part of the world or even Australia at this time of my life now that I am retired and 63 in October this year...Your information continues to give me excitement and gratitude..

Colin Uern...

[Dundee]

Hi Colin,

This very interesting thread has popped up again and I have just realised that this is also your family.  You may have already seen it but here is the link if you haven't:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=640334.0

I think that Francis also had a brother in SA, William Hancock LAMB, also sometimes known as William Lamb HANCOCK.  He married (firstly?) to Sophia COLES in the UK and had a daughter Sophia Sincere Lamb HANCOCK, and married secondly to Mary Frances Duson UERN (or something similar) in 1859 at Gawler, SA.

Debra 

Debra 

[cando]

I am trying to find the line for my ancestor Richard Uren who married Eliza and had a son John before immigrating to South Australia on the ship D'Auvergne out of London in 1838 arriving in Adelaide on March 22nd 1839...He would have been 29 at the time...He died tragically in July 1847 in Gawler South Australia after falling from a raft whilst crossing the local Nth Para River ...I am from Richard's son John's lineage...The name was mispelt during Richards early pioneer days in Gawler where some of his 5 children were surname Uren and others Uern...I have the Uern surname..
Any assistance as to Richards lineage would be most appreciated...

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839D'Auvergne.htm
UREN Richard 25 labourer and wife 30, 2 sons: 10m inf.  Applic: 3168, Embark 1840.

Perhaps you need a visit to SLSA or SA Records.

Register of Emigrant Labourers Applying for a Free Passage to South Australia 1836-41, PRO CO 386/149-151

http://www.jaunay.com/earlybdm.php
Name: Mary Frances UREN
Source: Early Births/Baptisms

There is a research form on the website if you want more info about the birth/baptism.

Richard UREN had an unclaimed letter in 1844
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27446380

Richard UERN in 1845 at Gawler
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71602647

His death reported as UREN.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article48545865

His age at death in 1847 being 37 years being a great help along with the mispelt surname on the plaque in the Pioneer Park cemetery..

His age is stated as 25 years in 1839 so possibly not 37 years of age when he drowned in 1847.  Surely he wouldn't lower his age when applying for assisted passage to SA when he wife appears to be 5 years his senior.

I notice that the plaque has Richard's age as 32 according to this transcribed information.
http://headstones.gravesecrets.net/uploads/9/5/2/0/952055/gawler_old_cemetery_name_index.pdf

Death
UERN Richard  37 years  Status not recorded  Relative not recorded
25Jul 1847
Residence Adelaide   Death Place North Para River   Ade Symbol G  1/86
Symbol G =  Age Guessed by Informant/Registrar

Richard and Eliza didn't register the births of their children in SA.  The record referred to on Graham Jaunay's website is probably a baptism.

Cando