Stevenson/Stephenson, or Sandham pre 1837

[corndolly]

Hi
Would very much appreciate some help trying to trace the parents/family pre 1837, of Edward Mountain Saunders, b.c.1823, Knaresborough, (married 1844 Sarah Ann Barker).
 
I know from his marriage cert that father was a John Saunders, innkeeper, and from the census mothers name was Ann (b.c.1799/1803).  One of the witnesses to his marriage was a Job Stevenson - was this Anns' brother and Stevenson her maiden name?

I have Edward back to the 1841 census (15yr old, upholsterers app., with mother Ann), but beyond that I can find no record of the family - births, baptisms etc.

Coming forward I wondered if either of the following entries would shed light on the family/families
 
1861 census
James Stevenson - Head
ANN SANDHAM 62, sister, b. SHELF
Thomas Stevenson - son

1871 census
James Stevenson - Head
ANN SAUNDERS 70, boarder, b.SHELF
Thomas Stevenson - son

I thought they may have transcribed the name - Sandham - incorrectly in 1861, but it does not appear so; looking back to the 1851 census there is an Ann Sandham b. c.1799, Clayton, and according to the maps, the villages of Clayton and Shelf appear pretty close together.

I cannot find a marriage for an Ann Sandham (to confirm maiden name of Stevenson/misspelling of Saunders), or any Stevenson/Stephenson births for James/Job to establish if they were brothers.

As Edward Mountain Saunders was married in a church of England, would they not have expected him to have been baptised?
Would there have been a directory back then whereby I could even establish which inn John Saunders was keeper of?

corndolly

[keyboard86]

Hi the baptism:-

Edward Mountain Saunders 5th July 1822 Knaresborough Father John occ Publican Mother Ann



EDIT Their were also birth/baptisms of these children in Knaresborough:-

Francis Pierpoint Saunders born 1st February 1820 baptism 11th May 1821 he was buried 13th January 1839 Knaresborough aged 19

Susannah SANDERS born 15th October 1830 baptism 12th November 1830 ( Cannot find anymore on her)
Both John occ Publican Mother Ann/Anne

Possible burial of John Saunders 17th May 1831 Knaresborough aged 40

Can I just ask why have you shifted the search for the Saunders from Knaresborough ( Harrogate area) to Shelf ( Halifax area) about 30 miles apart? ( Just had a thought was it due to a possible Stephenson/Stevenson link)


Their is a possible burial of an Ann Saunders 6th February 1845 Knaresborough aged 51?
The possible marriage to look into was:-

John Saunders to Anne Jaques 13th January 1818 Knaresborough?
Keyboard86

[corndolly]

Thanks a million Keyboard 86

I went through what I thought were all the parish records, without success; I obviously missed a lot. Reason for the move from Knaresborough to Shelf - eldest daughter has been researching this side of the family for several years now, but was stuck on who Edward Mountain Saunders mum Ann was. As you rightly summised the witness at their wedding being a Stevenson, and the 1861/1871 census with names/villages so close, looked like a good possibilty. Most of the family (direct line) moved to the Sheffield area from Knaresborough.

Once again thankyou very much for your time and effort

corndolly

[keyboard86]

Hi again, glad to have helped, Job Stevenson have you located him who was the other witness?
Why Mountain why Pierpoint!

Bear in mind you only associated a Stephenson/Stevenson due to a search for an Ann Saunders by the looks of it and as shown she could well have died by 1845?!
Keyboard86

[dobfarm]

Bradford Observer  newspaper. Thursday 13 th Feb 1845

Deaths

"On Tuesday aged 48, Mrs Ann Saunders, lately of Warwick Place, Leeds, and relict of  Mr John Saunders, Innkeeper, Knaresbrough."

[keyboard86]

Bradford Observer  newspaper. Thursday 13 th Feb 1845

Deaths

"On Tuesday aged 48, Mrs Ann Saunders, lately of Warwick Place, Leeds, and relict of  Mr John Saunders, Innkeeper, Knaresbrough."

  Thanks for that find, wondering now why discrepancy in age/dates if same Ann?
Keyboard86

[dobfarm]

http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=63605058

?? John Saunders   Lodger Married 44 M Retired Innkeeper Dumfries, Gretna       
Thomas Saunders   Lodger   13 M Retired Innkeeper's Son employed at Home England


http://www.forum.familyhistory.uk.com/archive/index.php/t-24083.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=639430.0

[keyboard86]

  Oh well enough there for Corndolly to look into, my work is done ( I thought) no bap for a Thomas surely a much younger John occ Inn Keeper!
Keyboard86

PS where/why did this family use/get Mountain/Pierpoint from and what became of Susannah b 1830?

[dobfarm]

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Knaresborough/Knaresborough29Dry.html

1829
Taverns & Public Houses,
Anchor, John Saunders, High street

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Knaresborough/Knaresborough34Dry.html

1834 John Saunders seems to have disappeared as an innkeeper
Taverns & Public Houses,
Anchor Samuel Raper, High street