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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 August 15 20:46 BST (UK) »
Although I asked if you knew where she was born on your other thread I never gave a reason for my inquiry. If she was born in a London parish then when she was orphaned the parish she was living in at that time would have had her removed to her birth parish.
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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 21 August 15 20:56 BST (UK) »
Although I asked if you knew where she was born on your other thread I never gave a reason for my inquiry. If she was born in a London parish then when she was orphaned the parish she was living in at that time would have had her removed to her birth parish.

As far as I know she was born in Twyford, Leicestershire - at least that's where she was baptised on 16 Feb 1834.  Her next eldest sibling was baptised there in 1832 and the family is recorded there as far back as 1786 so I've no reason to think she was born anywhere else - but then I didn't think she would have died in London either......
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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 21 August 15 21:03 BST (UK) »
The problem is that the baptism is not always carried out at the place of birth. Difficult!
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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 24 August 15 04:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Jomot,
I have found the name of the orphan school. It was the Bayswater Episcopal Chapel Female Orphan School . I found it in an old book, digitized on Google Books: The Charities of London 1852-53, published 1854 London.

The address of this school matches that of the 1851 Census entry for the school run by Ann Manger and Jane Franklin, 9 Peterburgh Place. Apparently it moved to Victoria Grove Terr. before 1861.

At first, I jumped to the conclusion that an Episcopal Chapel was Wesleyan Methodist because in my American research I have found English Weslayans calling themselves Episcopal Methodists. I don't have time to look into the history at the moment, but whatever the denomination, the Bayswater school was a church charity school.



I snipped the short paragraph from the book and will try to attach it.

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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 24 August 15 04:16 BST (UK) »
That certainly looks like the same place but the OP gave the address as 9 Saint Petersburgh Place, Bayswater, and the cutting gives the address as Peterborough Place.  :-\

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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 24 August 15 07:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruskie,
I think it is the same place regardless of spelling difference. Don't think it is likely that there would be two different orphan schools, each at no. 9  Peterb----- or St. Peterb----- Place.

Did a quick map check and it seems that there was no Peterborough Place, so probably just a spelling mistake.

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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 24 August 15 13:37 BST (UK) »
Yes I did wonder if it was an error ...  :)

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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 24 August 15 20:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Jomot,
I have found the name of the orphan school. It was the Bayswater Episcopal Chapel Female Orphan School . I found it in an old book, digitized on Google Books: The Charities of London 1852-53, published 1854 London.

Oooh - what a fantastic find !! 

From the information that it had opened 13-years previously it would seem that Sarah Ann was one of the early intake, although I'm still scratching my head as to how on earth she ended up there.  I had just started to look into an extremely tentative link between the family & a charity school in Leicester, so having the correct name and the names of some of the people involved just might be the key to finding a connection.

Thank you, I really appreciate it.
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Re: Why would London take an orphan from Leicestershire?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 24 August 15 20:46 BST (UK) »
If it was established in 1839 and Sarah was buried in 1845 after being orphaned 10 months earlier, then she would have been there in the 5th or 6th year after it's inception.
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