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England Pallot's marriage index
« on: Saturday 22 August 15 17:42 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I have found a family member named Hannah Dawes who married a Francis Courtenay in the England Pallot's marriage index, married at St.Marylebone, but have no date of marriage, names of parents of Bride and Groom, etc. I have been struggling for months and months now. Any info on anything to do with this marriage will be greatly appreciated.

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Toni

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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 August 15 18:24 BST (UK) »
Hi, and welcome to RootsChat  :)

This marriage is not coming up in the online version of Pallot's Marriage Index. Where did you get the details? Can you please double-check your source?

Pallot's Marriage Index covers marriages 1780-1837, so even if you can find this marriage you're not going to get parents' names from it. Fathers' names are not normally given in marriage records before 1837. Mothers' names aren't normally given at all, even up to the present day.

Maybe we can help in other ways? What is your starting-point for Hannah Dawes and Francis Courtenay? Do you have details of their children? Any census returns for either of them?

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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 August 15 19:00 BST (UK) »
Hi,

And welcome to RootsChat  :)

A child to the couple ?

Francis Charles Courtenay bp. 24 Dec 1841 ( born 13 Oct 1841) St Mary, St Marylebone
Parents: Francis BURDETT Courtenay and Hannah Dawes ( record found on Anc* )

The only marriage I can find in Pallots is between Francis Burdett Coutenay and Eliza Watts in 1835  ???

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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 August 15 19:06 BST (UK) »
Does this fit in

Francis Burdett Courtenay baptized 27 Mar 1813 St Andrews Holborn, parents Charles Baron and Ann Courtenay.
Address: 107 Hatton Garden
Fathers Occ.  Surgeon

Two other children baptized to the couple that day were Charles Baron and Jane Courtenay.

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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 August 15 19:28 BST (UK) »
names of parents of Bride and Groom, etc.

 Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753, the information recorded in the register is the Parish, County, and year. the names of the bride and groom, the parishes they were from, the name of the Church, whether the marriage was by banns or licence, the consent of the parents if either of the couple were under the age of 21, the date of the marriage, the signature of the minister, the signatures of the couple and the signatures of the witnesses. Parents and Occupations are not shown.

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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 August 15 20:26 BST (UK) »
Hi,everyone and Thank you for your replies.My story starts with  Francis Burdett Courtenay who was a surgeon and who's parents were indeed Charles Barron Courtenay and Ann Bolton. He Married Eliza Watts in 1835 I believed this to be my ancestors. Then I found  Francis Charles Courtenay Dawes also a surgeon who I believed to be their son.But after some digging, found out He was Baptised in 1841 St.Marylebone with names of his parents being Francis Burdett Courtenay and Hannah Dawes. Father Surgeon After a hint from Ancestry.co.uk telling me there was the English Pallot with names of Dawes Dawes and Courtenay Courtenay so I thought they must of married and there must be another Francis Burdett Courtenay Surgeon who also lived in Hatton Gardan??? Also confused as to why he took his Mothers surname. On his marriage certificate in 1861 to Mary ann Hill his name was indeed Francis Charles Courtenay Dawes. I am So grateful for any more info and Help you can give me. Kind Regards Toni

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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 August 15 21:00 BST (UK) »
I see that on his marriage he gives his father's name as Francis Burdett Courtenay Dawes.
Is it not likely that he was simply illegitimate and mother Harriet was not married to Francis B. Courtenay?
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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 August 15 21:25 BST (UK) »
Hi

Solved the problem  :)

If you check the census's it would seem Eliza Watts and Francis Burdett Courtenay had no children of their own, however Francis was a naughty boy  :)

Check the 1841 census

Great Marlborough Street

Eliza Courtney 26  (Francis's wife)
Jane        "        25   (     "    sister)
Francis    "      31  surgeon
William Ellis     64  Ind.                            not bn in county
Amelia Austin 36 F.S (female servant)    "     "         "
Joseph    "      45 M.S (man servant)       "     "         "
HANNAH DAWES 18  FEMALE SERVANT  "     "          "

Class: HO107; Piece: 735; Book: 1; Civil Parish: St James; Folio: 14; Page: 20; Line: 15

The entry on Anc* only lists Eliza, Jane and Francis but the image itself shows the rest of the household

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Re: England Pallot's marriage index
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 August 15 18:56 BST (UK) »
Is it not likely that he was simply illegitimate and mother Harriet was not married to Francis B. Courtenay?

Thanks, just found out this is correct.