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Offline RayDen

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Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« on: Monday 24 August 15 10:42 BST (UK) »
I was helping a Rootschat member search for an Abraham Dodd born 1855 Wales.  I located Abraham emigrating to Canada from Liverpool in 1884 on the Samatain.  I have Abraham on the 1891 census in Canada, then on the 1900 census in Belt, Montana, USA and then on the 1906, 1911, 1916 & 1921 census in Alberta, and his eventual death in 1926.

On the 1900 census he is living with his wife Mary Jane, his married daughter Margaret Catherine Barnes and 2 grandchildren:

Household Members:   
Name   Age
Abraham Dodd          45  Wales
Mary J Dodd          42  Wales
Margrette C Barnes   25 Wales
Lanclot G A Barnes   6   Canada  (male)
Asholot B C Barnes   4   Montana (female)

Source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Belt, Cascade, Montana; Roll: 909; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0144; FHL microfilm: 1240909

Now I thought that it would be relatively easy to find the grandchildren with such unusual first names but I just cannot find them.  They are not with either their mother or their grandparents after this 1900 census.

Abraham & his wifes census information shown above.  With regard to their mother Margaret Catherine born 1876 Wales:

I have Margaret remarrying in 1903 in Fergus, Montana to an Albert McRay(McRae): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZSK-ZVB
It shows her surname as Thomas (her mothers surname) but it is her. 

I believe I then have Margaret & Albert on the 1906 Canada census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHVZ-Q4F , but the children are not with her.
I also believe I then have Margaret on the 1921 census with her husband:
Source: Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 20; Census Place: Victoria (City), British Columbia; Page Number: 15

Margaret did marry again after 1921 to an Edwin Hall Thomson and died 1955 but no mention of children.

I don't have a personal interest in this but I am peeved that I am unable to find what would appear to be unusual names.  Only other clue I have is that the 1900 name is transcribed as Barnes but it could be Bowles or something similar.  Not found a marriage for a Dodd to a Barnes or Bowles in Canada or US.

Can you find them?

Ray
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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 August 15 16:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Ray,

I believe I've found them in the 1911 census. How the last names are spelled varies depending on the census source. Albert is listed as Alfred. This is truly one messed up bunch of transcriptions.

I'm starting to wonder if the names Lanclot & Asholot are even real? The children are listed as William and Beatrice in 1911 census. The month and YOB given in the 1911 census matches that of the 1900 census. Both are listed as step children

From the 1900 census:
Lanclot G A Barnes   6   Canada  (male) Jun 1893
Asholot B C Barnes   4   Montana (female)  Dec 1895

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Here are the various sources for those 1911 censuses.

1) Family Search did best with last names.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9P-V9P8

2) Automatedgenealogy comes in 2nd.

 http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=11192&highlight=23&desc=1911+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Alfred+McRae

3) Canada Archives gets a thumbs down

Albert - http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=145026
Margaret - http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=145027
William - http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=30514
Beatrice - http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=30511

Image : http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/jpg/e001928189.jpg

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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 August 15 16:38 BST (UK) »
William died in WWI - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56466975&ref=acom

His mother was listed as Margaret C. McRae, formerly Barnes.


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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #3 on: Monday 24 August 15 16:41 BST (UK) »
Looks like William is listed as W.A. Barns in the 1906 census - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHVH-YN5  He is with Beatrice and they are listed as grandchildren.

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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #4 on: Monday 24 August 15 16:54 BST (UK) »
This was a long shot which I came across earlier but perhaps it could be a possibility Beatrice.  ???
Born England rather than Canada  ???

Clean Street Endicott, Whitman, Washington. 1920

Adolph R Kath  31
Beatrice C Kath  24 Born Montana. Father England. Mother Wales.
Blodwen I Kath  1 year and 11 months
Raymond W Kath  0

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHJ8-7G1

1930 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCQ9-19N

1940 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9S4-3NH

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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #5 on: Monday 24 August 15 17:11 BST (UK) »
IF Beatrice Catherine Kath is the right connection, she could have married again to Lynn C Van Natta 29 March 1943 Pierce Washington. Methodist Church Stanwood.  Witness Mrs G McDonald and Mrs Bertram Robins

Tacoma, Washington, Obituary Index, 1939-2010 - mentions a Lynn Courtwright Vannatta passed away 1 st February 1951.

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/13D8C0DEC894AC1239D8BBE31A866520

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3Y1-KPX

Beatrice Vanatta shows in City Directories up to 1955

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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #6 on: Monday 24 August 15 17:13 BST (UK) »
Private William Abraham Barnes born June 20th 1893 Lethbridge, Alberta
"Son of Frederick W. and Margaret C. McRae (formerly Barnes), of Victoria, British Columbia."

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/195727
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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 August 15 17:16 BST (UK) »
The WW2 Draft for Adolph Richard Kath gives the name of Mrs Graham McDonald - Stanwood Washington as the person who would always know him. (marriage license for Beatrice showed same name) In that case it would appear as if Beatrice and Adolph divorced.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVJT-V7SX

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Re: Siblings Lancelot & Asholot Barnes
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 August 15 17:20 BST (UK) »
Private Barnes' military record includes references to his grandmother Mrs M J Dodd.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B0450-S030

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